Anti-Derivatives with Substitution: Solving x^2(1-x)^8dx

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The problem involves finding the anti-derivative of the expression x²(1-x)⁸dx, with participants discussing the use of substitution in the process.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to find the anti-derivative and shares their initial work, seeking feedback on correctness. Participants discuss the expansion of terms and the implications of substitution, with some questioning the accuracy of signs and simplifications.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's attempts, providing guidance on specific steps such as expanding terms and correcting signs. There is a collaborative atmosphere, with some expressing uncertainty about their progress while others confirm the validity of their approaches.

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There are mentions of homework constraints, such as not needing to simplify the expression fully, which influences the participants' approaches to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Well, i didn't know how to do anti-derivatives on this forum so i just did it on paint :)
Anyways, here is the problem and solution i tried.
Let me know if i did anything wrong, or if i even did anything right...
Thanks a lot!

i have to find the anti derivative of : x2(1-x)8dx

The Attempt at a Solution


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Hey a Munk3y, it looks good exceot for the multiplication of (1-u)^2u^8. try expanding the squared term first...
 
yea, i thought that was wrong... I've always sucked at doing this..

so (1-u)2=u2-2u+1
then, u8(u2-2u+1) right?

would it be u8-2u9+u10
 
Thats absolutely right. a lot of people don't even see making the substitution for x afterwards, they get stuck after the u-substitution.
 
ok thanks :biggrin:, but now I'm a little lost on what to do now with this...
i tried to change it since i have a new equation but i think I'm doing something wrong.
either I'm doing the signs wrong, or something else, but it just doesn't seem right

here is what i got
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No that is fine! You can simplify the -2/10 to -1/5, and rewrite the terms in order of decreasing exponents, but only the evilest of teachers would expect you to expand those terms!
 
Also, I commend you on using paint. That takes dedication!
 
heh... yea, paint is a pain :cry:, but it's still easier than trying to figure out how to do it on this forum
and my teacher told us we don't have to simplify, so I'm good :Done last thing to be sure... :P I'm right in that only the 2/10(1-x)10 is negative? I thought i had messed that one up :shy:
 
Actually all the signs are bacwards, you lost the negative sign right after your first equal sign.
 
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You get du = -dx. This implies that -du = dx as well. The intermediate step in your solution would be - \int u^8 - 2u^9 + u^{10} du = \int - u^8 + 2u^9 - u^{10} du and you would break up the integrals from there. LaTex isn't so bad to learn! I guarantee that it takes less time than paint =)
 
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yea, i thought i had done something wrong
so is this right now?
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  • #12
You got it!
 
  • #13
YEA! :)
thanks so much for the help!
I reaaaaaaaally appreciate it.
 

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