Any ideas on Vieta's formula....?

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The discussion revolves around Vieta's formula, specifically seeking an elementary approach to proving a particular infinite product representation related to the formula. Participants explore various methods and historical context without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

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  • One participant requests a relatively elementary proof of Vieta's formula without delving into complex functions or repeated fractions.
  • Another participant references the Wikipedia article on Vieta's formula, mentioning its original derivation related to polygon areas and a proof involving Euler's infinite product for $\sin x/x$.
  • A participant provides a detailed derivation using the trigonometric identity $\sin 2x = 2 \sin x \cos x$, leading to an expression for $\sin x/x$ as an infinite product of cosines, ultimately connecting it to Vieta's formula.
  • A participant shares historical context about François Viète's contributions to cryptanalysis during the sixteenth century, highlighting his dual role as a mathematician and cryptanalyst.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the information shared, indicating it was helpful for their understanding.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single elementary approach to Vieta's formula, and multiple methods and historical perspectives are presented without resolution.

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The discussion includes various mathematical derivations and historical anecdotes, but lacks clarity on specific assumptions or definitions that may affect the interpretations of Vieta's formula.

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Evening all! (Sun)Do any of you know of a -relatively - elementary approach to Vieta's forumula, without going into hypergeometric functions and associated repeated fractions, etc?

In short, an ideas or suggestions on how to prove that:

$$\sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} } \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} } } \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} } } }\, \cdots = \frac{2}{\pi}$$Thanks! (Hug)
 
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The Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%E8te%27s_formula mentions Viète's original derivation of his formula by calculating areas of polygons inside a circle. The article also mentions a proof using one of Euler's infinite product representations for $\dfrac{\sin x}{x}$.

Incidentally, it seems that this formula is usually known under François Viète's French name. The latinised version Vieta's formula is associated with formulas for symmetric functions of the roots of a polynomial. But both formulas are the work of the same man.
 
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Evening all! (Sun)Do any of you know of a -relatively - elementary approach to Vieta's forumula, without going into hypergeometric functions and associated repeated fractions, etc?

In short, an ideas or suggestions on how to prove that:

$$\sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} } \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} } } \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} } } }\, \cdots = \frac{2}{\pi}$$Thanks! (Hug)

You can apply the well known trigonometric formula $\displaystyle \sin 2 x = 2\ \sin x\ \cos x$ in a special way writing...

$\displaystyle \sin x = 2\ \sin \frac{x}{2}\ \cos \frac{x}{2} = 4\ \cos \frac{x}{2} \cos \frac{x}{4}\ \sin \frac{x}{4} = ... \(1)$

... and after n interation You obtain...

$\displaystyle \sin x = 2^{n}\ \sin \frac{x}{2^{n}}\ \prod_{k=1}^{n} \cos \frac{x}{2^{k}}\ (2)$

If n tends to infinity the term $2^{n}\ \sin \frac{x}{2^{n}}$ tends to x, so that You obtain...

$\displaystyle \frac{\sin x}{x} = \prod_{k=1}^{\infty} \cos \frac{x}{2^{k}}\ (3)$

Setting in (3) $x=\frac{\pi}{4}$ You obtain Vieta's formula...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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If it can be of interest I am currently writing a book focused on the role of cryptanalysis in World War One. As an introduction I wrote a chapter on the state of the cryptanalytic art during the sixteenth century and in this context emerges the figure of Francois Viète, who as well as the brilliant mathematician was also brilliant cryptanalyst. In 1590, Vieta discovered the key to a Spanish cipher, consisting of more than 500 characters, and this meant that all dispatches in that language which fell into the hands of the French could be easily read. When the news came that the secret writings of Spanish cryptographers were regularly deciphered by the French, the king of Spain, Philip II call directly to the Pope saying that Viete supposed to be 'an arch-fiend in the service of the evil one' and had to be brought before a court ecclesiastical to response of witchcraft. The Pope, who well knew that his cryptanalysts were reading for years without difficulty Spanish secret messages did not agree to the request (Tongueout)...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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Thank you both very, very much! That's just what I needed. (Sun)
 

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