Apostol volume 1 calc? what do I need

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The discussion centers around understanding the derivation of the integral for a parabolic function \(x^2\) as presented in Apostol's calculus book. Participants explore the reasoning behind specific mathematical expressions and inequalities, particularly the use of \((k+1)^3\) and the appearance of \(n^3/3\) in the context of summing squares and the fundamental theorem of calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why Apostol uses \((k+1)^3\) in his derivation and questions the origin of \(n^3/3\) in the context of inequalities involving sums of squares.
  • Another participant suggests that the use of \((k+1)^3\) is to set up a telescoping series, which leads to an expression for the sum of squares.
  • It is mentioned that the integral of \(x^2\) is known to be \((x^3)/3\), and Apostol's goal is to derive this using the fundamental theorem of calculus.
  • Participants discuss the role of the squeeze theorem in proving the convergence of upper and lower sums related to Riemann sums.
  • One participant acknowledges understanding the integral but is still unclear about the sudden appearance of \(n^3/3\) in the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of Apostol's derivation, with some expressing understanding of certain aspects while others remain confused about specific elements, particularly the introduction of \(n^3/3\).

Contextual Notes

Participants note that Apostol does not explicitly develop \(n^3/3\) before it appears in the proof, leading to questions about its justification and derivation.

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Hi, I'm curious in learning calculus again but through a more rigorous fashion than plug and chug that I did last year.

I'm trying to go slowly through Apostol's calculus but the way he's deriving the integral for a parabolic function x^2 is kinda troubling me.

I'm fine until he reaches a point where he wants to prove that

1^2 + 2^2 + ... + n^2 = n^3/3 +n^2/2 + n/6

he ends up proving it by examining

(k+1)^3 = k^3 + 3k^2 + 3k + 1

my problem is how did he decide to use (k+1)^3?

one more issue is he later goes on to state

1^2 + 2^2 + ... + (n-1)^2 < n^3/3 < 1^2 + 2^2 + ... + n^2
and has a proof in the later sections for it.
where did the n^3/3 come from ?? why is he using it?


I feel like I'm missing something in my math education. Should I go through a number theory book before continuing ?
 
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well that's something practice would teach u

i suggest u better go through some elementary induction problems , that should do
 
tripsynth said:
(k+1)^3 = k^3 + 3k^2 + 3k + 1

my problem is how did he decide to use (k+1)^3?

one more issue is he later goes on to state

1^2 + 2^2 + ... + (n-1)^2 < n^3/3 < 1^2 + 2^2 + ... + n^2
and has a proof in the later sections for it.
where did the n^3/3 come from ?? why is he using it?

The reason he uses (k+1) ^3 is to set up a telescoping series:(k+1)^3 - k^3= 3k^2 + 3k + 1. the idea is to get an expression for the sum of squares.

(2)^3 - (1)^3 + (3)^3 - (2)^3 + ... (k+1)^3 - (k)^3 = (k+1)^3 -1 (as all the other terms cancel). Do you see how this gives (K+ 1) ^3 - 1 = 3(1^2 + 2^2 + ... + k^2) + 3(1 + ... + k) + k? Since we know what 3(1 + ... +k) is we can now solve for (1^2 + ... + k^2).

You've taken calculus so you know the integral of x^2 is (x^3)/3. Apostal is trying to derive this formula with the fundamental theorem of calculus. That's where the n^3/3 comes from. The point of the inequality is to use the squeeze theorem to prove the upper and lower sum (Riemann sums or inf/sup definition I don't know what Apostal uses) converge to (x^3)/3 as n-> infinity. Do you understand the later parts of his derivation?
 
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deluks917 said:
The reason he uses (k+1) ^3 is to set up a telescoping series:(k+1)^3 - k^3= 3k^2 + 3k + 1. the idea is to get an expression for the sum of squares.

(2)^3 - (1)^3 + (3)^3 - (2)^3 + ... (k+1)^3 - (k)^3 = (k+1)^3 -1 (as all the other terms cancel). Do you see how this gives (K+ 1) ^3 - 1 = 3(1^2 + 2^2 + ... + k^2) + 3(1 + ... + k) + k? Since we know what 3(1 + ... +k) is we can now solve for (1^2 + ... + k^2).

You've taken calculus so you know the integral of x^2 is (x^3)/3. Apostal is trying to derive this formula with the fundamental theorem of calculus. That's where the n^3/3 comes from. The point of the inequality is to use the squeeze theorem to prove the upper and lower sum (Riemann sums or inf/sup definition I don't know what Apostal uses) converge to (x^3)/3 as n-> infinity. Do you understand the later parts of his derivation?

I'll look over the telescoping series and read over that section again later.

yeah I knew that integral but on that page it just appears with that inequality. he doesn't develop n^3/3 it just appears at that moment. I think I understand the rest of the proof though. I just was confused about where n^3/3 came from.

Thank you for your help.
 

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