Apparent disagreement between Coulomb's Law and Gauss' Law

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The discussion centers on the apparent discrepancy between the electric field calculations using Coulomb's Law and Gauss's Law in the context of two point charges, +Q and -Q, positioned symmetrically around a point P. The scope includes theoretical exploration of electrostatics and the application of both laws in determining electric fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the electric field at point P using Coulomb's Law and finds E = (1/2πε0)Q/r².
  • The same participant applies Gauss's Law and arrives at E = (1/4πε0)Q/r², leading to a perceived contradiction.
  • Another participant points out that the total electric field is not constant across the Gaussian surface, suggesting that an integral approach is necessary.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the electric field is not spherically symmetric, which contributes to the misunderstanding of the Gaussian surface application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the application of Gauss's Law in this scenario, with some asserting that the symmetry of the electric field is not applicable, while others acknowledge the initial calculations but highlight the need for a more nuanced approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the assumptions made about the symmetry of the electric field and the applicability of Gauss's Law in this specific configuration of point charges.

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This is probably my misunderstanding, so please clarify.

In a region of empty space, there are two point charges with the charges+Q and -Q. Exactly in the middle of the two charges (distance r from both charges) is point P, colinear with the centers of both charges. A Gaussian surface that includes point P is drawn above.

Using Coulomb's Law, we can find the electric field at point P:
E=2*((1/4πε0)Q/r2)=(1/2πε0)Q/r2)
(since the electric field vectors caused by both charges have the same magnitude and add at point P)

However, if I try to use Gauss's Law to calculate the electric field at point P, I get:
E*4πr2=Qenclosed0, or
E=(1/4πε0)Q/r2)
(since the Gaussian surface is symmetric to the electric field, I simplified the surface integral to E*4πr2)

The two calculations differ! Can someone please clarify the error?!
 

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Simple. The total field is not constant across the Gauss surface. You would really need to do the integral.

In other words, here is your error:
shj said:
(since the Gaussian surface is symmetric to the electric field, I simplified the surface integral to E*4πr2)
Not symmetric for the total field!

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Stavros Kiri said:
Simple. The total field is not constant across the Gauss surface. You would really need to do the integral.

In other words, here is your error:

Not symmetric for the total field!

Note: Welcome to PF!
Oh alright. Thank you.
 
shj said:
Oh alright. Thank you.
You're welcome!
 
shj said:
since the Gaussian surface is symmetric to the electric field,
The electric field is not spherically symmetric

Edit: oops, I am too late. Good job @Stavros Kiri
 
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