Apparent Flux and number of stars

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the luminosity of stars in a galaxy and their apparent flux, specifically focusing on deriving the total number of stars with a given apparent flux. The original poster presents equations relating luminosity, flux, and the number of stars per unit volume, seeking to establish a connection between these variables.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the total number of stars with apparent flux greater than a threshold by integrating the number density of stars over a specified luminosity range. Some participants question the validity of the final equation presented by the original poster and suggest alternative formulations involving area and volume.

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Participants are actively engaging with the equations presented, with some offering corrections and alternative perspectives on the definitions of variables such as area and volume. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the number density function, n(L), in terms of known variables, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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The stars in our Galaxy have luminosities ranging from $L_{\text{min}}$ to $L_{\text{max}}$. Suppose that the number of stars per unit volume with luminosities in the range of $L$, $L+dL$ is $n(L)dL$. The total number of stars per unit volume if clearly $$n = \int_{L_{min}}^{L_{max}} n(L)dL.$$ Show that the total number of stars with apparent flux $f \geq f_0$ is $$N(f \geq f_0) = \frac{A}{f_0^{3/2}}$$ and find $A$ in terms of $n(L)$.We have that the flux $f$, is given by $$f = \frac{L}{4 \pi r^2}.$$ Therefore, take $L_{min} = 4\pi r^2 f_0$ and $L_{max} = 4\pi r^2 f$. We thus have that $$N = \int_{4\pi r^2 f_0}^{4 \pi r^2 f} n(L) dL.$$ Is this on the right track?
 
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You are wrong in final equation.
\begin{equation}
N=n.A.l
\end{equation}
You know
\begin{equation}
n = \int_{L_{min}}^{L_{max}} n(L)dL.
\end{equation}
If we put this to first equation we get
\begin{equation}
N = \int_{L_{min}}^{L_{max}} n(L)A.LdL.
\end{equation}

Other equations are true, i think
 
Safakphysics said:
You are wrong in final equation.
\begin{equation}
N=n.A.l
\end{equation}
You know
\begin{equation}
n = \int_{L_{min}}^{L_{max}} n(L)dL.
\end{equation}
If we put this to first equation we get
\begin{equation}
N = \int_{L_{min}}^{L_{max}} n(L)A.LdL.
\end{equation}

Other equations are true, i think
Where did you determine that first equation from?

Also, do we therefore conclude that $$A = \frac{N}{\int_{L_{min}}^{L_{max}} L \cdot n(L) dL}?$$
 
In my equations A is area. In my equation
\begin{equation}
A=4.\pi.r^2=S
\end{equation}
I should have S for this for doesn't mixing the question provided and asked constant.
And also i had mistake in the above post
\begin{equation}
N=n.V
\end{equation}
where is V volume, n tota number of star per unit volume.
And you have to express n(L) depends on variables we know. But i didn't found these method i think in this problem there aren't enough knowledge to get this. This question from a textbook? If yes you may look up the issues maybe n(L) defined by in the textbook.
 
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