Application of circularity of hybrid product

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The discussion revolves around the application of the vector cross product and the manipulation of negative scalars in the context of a homework problem. Participants express confusion about transitioning from one expression to another, particularly regarding the placement of terms in the numerator and denominator. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing that a negative scalar can be factored out and manipulated similarly to other scalars. Clarification is provided on how to handle negative signs when dealing with vectors, confirming that the negative can be pulled out as a scalar. Overall, the thread emphasizes understanding vector properties and scalar multiplication in mathematical expressions.
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Homework Statement


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2. Homework Equations

a·(b x c) = b·(c x a)

The Attempt at a Solution


How did they get from the (b) to (c)? In particular, I am referring to the numerator and denominator of the fraction. I mean if you apply a·(b x c) = b·(c x a) then surely the terms inside the brackets (of both numerator and denominator) of part (c) should be the other way round?

I mean for instance rCD·(k x rBA) = k·(rBA x rCD) and not rCD·(k x rBA) = k·(rCD x rBA) as they got?
 
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Did you happen to notice that the prefixed "-" sign also disappeared from (b) to (c)?...
 
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gneill said:
Did you happen to notice that the prefixed "-" sign also disappeared from (b) to (c)?...
Ah I never noticed that! So -rCD·(k x rBA) = -k·(rBA x rCD) but I'm still confused in terms of how they got from -k·(rBA x rCD) to k·(rCD x rBA)? I know that A x B = -B x A so -k·(rBA x rCD) can be written as -k·(-rCD x rBA) and I'm guessing the two negatives cancel somehow but don't know how..
 
-rCD can be written as (-1)rCD, the scalar -1 being "pulled out" of the vector. That scalar in turn can be moved out of the parentheses and applied to the vector -k.
 
gneill said:
-rCD can be written as (-1)rCD, the scalar -1 being "pulled out" of the vector. That scalar in turn can be moved out of the parentheses and applied to the vector -k.

So -k·((-1)rCD x rBA)=(-1)(-k)·(rCD x rBA) = k·(rCD x rBA)?

I was thinking it would be something along these lines but I wasn't sure how to pull out the negative when dealing with vectors.
 
influx said:
So -k·((-1)rCD x rBA)=(-1)(-k)·(rCD x rBA) = k·(rCD x rBA)?

I was thinking it would be something along these lines but I wasn't sure how to pull out the negative when dealing with vectors.
Yes that's good. A "negative" is just a scalar constant, -1. So you can manipulate it as you would any scalar multiplyer of a vector.
 

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