Application of Coulomb's law to positron velocities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Coulomb's law to manipulate positrons using an electric field, specifically focusing on calculating the velocities of positrons while ensuring their kinetic energy remains below 511 keV to avoid annihilation with electrons that produces heavy particles.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using Coulomb's law to determine the force acting on a positron and subsequently calculating its acceleration and velocity.
  • Another participant suggests that integrating the force over distance could directly yield energy without needing to consider time-dependence.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of positron energies exceeding 511 keV, with one participant emphasizing the importance of keeping energy below this threshold to prevent unwanted annihilation effects.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to integrating the equations and how to handle the derivative terms.
  • One participant mentions that high-energy positrons could lead to gamma rays and pair creation, indicating a concern about energy levels and their consequences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of time-dependence in the calculations and the implications of positron energy levels. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to calculate the velocity and energy of positrons.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps related to integrating acceleration and force, as well as assumptions about the behavior of positrons in electric fields. The discussion also highlights the complexity of energy interactions in particle physics.

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I have an idea in which I need to manipulate a positron using an electrical field. However, in order for the problem to work, I need to make sure that the positron's kinetic energy is under 511 keV. to do this, I used Coulomb's law (F=[itex]\frac{kQ1Q2}{r^2}[/itex]) to obtain the force. Because F = ma, I divided both sides by mass to get acceleration. I know that integrating acceleration with respect to time yields velocity. However, in this case, acceleration is not a function of time, but rather a function of distance. My goal is to obtain an equation which can give me the velocity at different distances so that I can plug the right velocity into the kinetic energy formula. Is integrating the way to solve this, and if so, how do I do it correctly?
 
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[itex]\frac{dF(x(t))}{dt}=\frac{dF(x(t))}{dx} \frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]
 
Sorry, but could you elaborate a little?
 
[itex]a=\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{k}{m}\frac{{Q}_{1}{Q}_{2}}{r^{2}}[/itex]

what you write is this:

[itex]\frac{dv}{dr} \frac{dr}{dt}=\frac{k}{m}\frac{{Q}_{1}{Q}_{2}}{r^{2}}[/itex]

dr/dt is the velocity so:

[itex]v \frac{dv}{dr}=\frac{k}{m}\frac{{Q}_{1}{Q}_{2}}{r^{2}}[/itex]
 
You can directly get the energy by integrating the force over a distance (or using the Coulomb potential), you do not have to use any time-dependence at all for this.
As a bonus, you avoid relativistic effects in this calculation, which can influence the acceleration.

I need to make sure that the positron's kinetic energy is under 511 keV.
Are you sure this is the real requirement?
 
Sorry if I'm starting to sound incompetent, but what would I do about the [itex]\frac{dv}{dr}[/itex]
 
@ mfb:
Thanks. The reason that I need to make sure it is under 511 keV is because if it is any higher than that, the positron-electron annihilation will start to produce heavy particles instead of energy.
 
[itex]v \frac{dv}{dr}=\frac{k}{m}\frac{{Q}_{1}{Q}_{2}}{r^{2}}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1}{2} \frac{dv^{2}}{dr}=\frac{k}{m}\frac{{Q}_{1}{Q}_{2}}{r^{2}}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{d}{dr} ( \frac{1}{2} v^{2}+\frac{k}{m}\frac{{Q}_{1}{Q}_{2}}{r} )=0[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1}{2} v^{2}+\frac{k}{m}\frac{{Q}_{1}{Q}_{2}}{r}=const[/itex]
 
Thanks for the information.
 
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If you already have positrons, they can annihilate with electrons - and the cross-section is smaller for higher energy. Very high-energetic positrons might produce gamma rays of >1 MeV somewhere, which could do pair-creation, but as you can see this already requires more than 1 MeV of energy.
 
  • #11
I see. However, the main focus is not the amount of energy generated, but rather the efficiency of matter converting into energy.
 

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