Application of derivatives to geometry

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The discussion centers on the application of derivatives to find the maximum area of a cylinder inscribed in a sphere of radius R. The correct derivative of the area function M, defined as M=Pi*H*sqrt((2R)^2 - H^2), is crucial for proving that the height H of the cylinder is R√2. Participants identified errors in differentiation, particularly in applying the product and chain rules, leading to confusion in deriving the correct expression for M'. The final correct derivative is M' = Pi*(4R^2 + 4RH - 2H^2)/sqrt((2R)^2 - H^2).

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Homework Statement


Of all cylinders inscribed in sphere of radius R largest area of side(M) has cylinder which height is R\sqrt{2}. Prove.

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand how to prove this i only have problem with derivative:

M=2*r*Pi*H and r=\frac{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}}{2}

M=Pi*H*\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}

M^{'}=Pi*(\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{Pi*H}{2*\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}}

Then
M^{'}=Pi*\frac{8R^2 -2H^2 + H}{2\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}} so how can i from this get that R*\sqrt{2} = H

My textbook says that M^{'}=Pi*\frac{4R^2 -2H^2}{\sqrt{(4R)^2 - H^2}} therefore R*\sqrt{2} = H
 
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Government$ said:

Homework Statement


Of all cylinders inscribed in sphere of radius R largest area of side(M) has cylinder which height is R\sqrt{2}. Prove.

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand how to prove this i only have problem with derivative:

M=2*r*Pi*H and r=\frac{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}}{2}

M=Pi*H*\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}

M^{'}=Pi*(\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{Pi*H}{2*\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}}

Then
M^{'}=Pi*\frac{8R^2 -2H^2 + H}{2\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}} so how can i from this get that R*\sqrt{2} = H

My textbook says that M^{'}=Pi*\frac{4R^2 -2H^2}{\sqrt{(4R)^2 - H^2}} therefore R*\sqrt{2} = H

Your differentiation is wrong. You need to use the chain rule when you find the derivative of the second factor in your product rule.
 
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So M^{'}=Pi*(\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{Pi*H}{2*\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}}*(8R -2H)

M^{'}=Pi*(\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{Pi*H*(4R - H)}{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}}

M^{'}=Pi*((\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{H*(4R - H)}{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}})

M^{'}=Pi*((\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{H*(4R - H)}{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}})

M^{'}=Pi*(\frac{(4R^2 + 4RH - 2H^2)}{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}})

This time 4RH is making me a problem i feel like there is a better way to factor out this expression
 
Government$ said:
So M^{'}=Pi*(\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{Pi*H}{2*\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}}*(8R -2H)

M^{'}=Pi*(\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{Pi*H*(4R - H)}{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}}

M^{'}=Pi*((\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{H*(4R - H)}{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}})

M^{'}=Pi*((\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}) + \frac{H*(4R - H)}{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}})

M^{'}=Pi*(\frac{(4R^2 + 4RH - 2H^2)}{\sqrt{(2R)^2 - H^2}})

This time 4RH is making me a problem i feel like there is a better way to factor out this expression

The derivative of (2R)^2-H^2 is just -2H. R is a constant!
 
:cry::cry: I can't believe it. I spent almost 2 hours on this silly problem because of silly mistakes. Thank you.:smile:
 

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