Application of Integration: Finding the Area Bounded by a Hyperbola and Axes

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the area bounded by a hyperbola defined by the equation (x)^(1/2) + (y)^(1/2) = (a)^(1/2) and the coordinate axes. The original poster attempts to show that this area equals a^2/6.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the function derived from the hyperbola and question the limits of integration. There are attempts to clarify the expression for y and the correct limits for x.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to integrate the function and clarify limits. Some participants provide hints and corrections regarding the integration process, while others express confusion about the negative results obtained during integration.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential mistakes in integration and the need to consider the correct limits based on the axes. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the interpretation of the problem and the integration process.

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Homework Statement



Show that the area of the plane bounded by the hyperbola (x)^1/2+(y)^1/2=(a)^1/2 and the axes of the coordinates is a^2/6

Homework Equations


∫yd x


The Attempt at a Solution


I just can't integrate the function (a)^1/2-(x)^1/2 considering the fact that there are x as well as a and should I take the limit from 0 to a for x?
 
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Dumbledore211 said:
I just can't integrate the function (a)^1/2-(x)^1/2 considering the fact that there are x as well as a
There's nothing stopping you integrating that, but it would not be ∫ydx. What is y equal to?
should I take the limit from 0 to a for x?
The limits should be at the axes, i.e. where x or y is zero. Does that correspond to x = 0 or a?
 
y={ (a)^1/2- (x)^1/2}^2. The integration should be done with respect to x where y is just a function of x. Can you drop a hint as to how I should integrate it and is 0≤ x≤ a or 0≤ x≤ (a)^1/2 true
 
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Dumbledore211 said:
y={ (a)^1/2- (x)^1/2}^2. The integration should be done with respect to x where y is just a function of x. Can you drop a hint as to how I should integrate it and is 0≤ x≤ a or 0≤ x≤ (a)^1/2 true
Start by expanding the 'squared'.
 
Okay, then it becomes y= a-2(a)^1/2(x)^1/2+x. Now, integrating both sides we get y= - 4/3x^3/2(a)^1/2+x^2/2. But, what limits should I take? Is 0≤x≤a valid in this case??
 
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Dumbledore211 said:
Okay, then it becomes y= a-2(a)^1/2(x)^1/2+x. Now, integrating both sides we get y= - 4/3x^3/2(a)^1/2+x^2/2. But, what limits should I take? Is 0≤x≤a valid in this case??
I already answered that. The other bounds are the axes, so the limits correspond to x = 0 for one and y = 0 for the other.
 
Taking the limit from 0 to a the integration with respect to x becomes y= -4a^2/3+a^2/2= -8a^2+3a^2/6= -5a^2/6 How come I have a negative sign and the area is not negative. Besides the answer is a^2/6. What mistakes am i making?
 
Dumbledore211 said:
Taking the limit from 0 to a the integration with respect to x becomes y= -4a^2/3+a^2/2= -8a^2+3a^2/6= -5a^2/6 How come I have a negative sign and the area is not negative. Besides the answer is a^2/6. What mistakes am i making?
You missed a term when you integrated.
 
How come I missed a term when I integrated? Besides the integration of a becomes 0 with respect to x. Hence, the negative sign should also be taken into account because I expanded {(a)^1/2-(x)^1/2}^2
 
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Dumbledore211 said:
the integration of a becomes 0 with respect to x.
No, the derivative of a constant would be zero, but not the integral.
 
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Sorry, I made a ridiculously silly mistake. Don't know what happened as I solved harder integration problems like this. How do I solve the second part of the question?? I have no clue as to how I can find out the axes of the coordinates to be a^2/6
 
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Dumbledore211 said:
Sorry, I made a ridiculously silly mistake. Don't know what happened as I solved harder integration problems like this. How do I solve the second part of the question?? I have no clue as to how I can find out the axes of the coordinates to be a^2/6
I don't see a second part. It asks you to find an area, which you have now done.
 
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Sorry for my foolishness. I completely misread the question at first I thought that I had to show that the area and the axes of the coordinates are a^2/6. Anyway, Thank you haruspex for bearing my ridiculousness and showing me the extent of silliness that I exhibit in solving the simplest problems. My brain malfunctions at times especially when I am doing a lot of math per day...
 
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Dumbledore211 said:
Sorry for my foolishness. I completely misread the question at first I thought that I had to show that the area and the axes of the coordinates are a^2/6. Anyway, Thank you haruspex for bearing my ridiculousness and showing me the extent of silliness that I exhibit in solving the simplest problems. My brain malfunctions at times especially when I am doing a lot of math per day...
Let's not start a competition over who does the stupidest things. I might win.
 

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