Application of the Dot Product (Arfken and Weber)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a pipe that runs diagonally down the south wall of a building and then turns to continue down a west-facing wall, both at a 45-degree angle to the horizontal. The main question is to determine the angle between the two sections of the pipe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss visualizing the problem and suggest using vector addition and the dot product to find the angle between the two sections of the pipe. There are inquiries about finding unit vectors along the pipe sections and writing Cartesian vectors for them.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the dot product to relate the vectors and the angle between them. The discussion appears to be moving towards a resolution, with one participant expressing that they have understood the concept.

Contextual Notes

The original poster references a solution from Arfken, indicating a specific angle of 120 degrees, which may influence the interpretation of the problem. There is an emphasis on the relationship between vector magnitudes and angles in the context of the dot product.

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Homework Statement


A pipe comes diagonally down the south wall of a building, making an angle for 45 degrees with the horizontal. Coming into a corner, the pipe turns and continues diagonally down a west facing wall, still making an angle of 45 degrees with the horizontal. What is the angle between the south wall and west wall sections of the pipe?


Homework Equations


Dot products invariance under the rotation of a coordinate system



The Attempt at a Solution


My main problem is actually visualizing the question. I feel as if it just an application of the parallelogram rule for addition of vectors and then finding the angle. Arfken says the solution is 120 degrees.
 
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consider the red line as pipe in pic.

can you find the unit vectors along the 2 pipes?
 

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Write Cartesian vectors for both sections of the pipe (you don't have to be particular about their magnitudes as long as the resultants are in the correct 3D directions).

What do you know about the relationship between the dot product of two vectors and the angle between them?
 
Well the relationship between the two vectors in terms of the magnitudes is A dot B=ABcos(theta)=A1B1+A2B2+...+AnBn
 
So, if you can compose two vectors in the directions of the pipes, you can form the dot product directly from its components (A1B1+A2B2+...+AnBn) and also as a product of the vector magnitudes and the cosine of the angle between the vectors. You should be able to solve for the angle, right?
 
Okay thanks a bunch guys! I got it!
 

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