Applications of ODE; damped motion

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a damped harmonic oscillator, specifically a spring-mass system subjected to a damping force. The original poster attempts to derive the equation of motion for a weight attached to a spring, considering the effects of damping and initial conditions.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the spring constant and mass based on given forces and weights. There are attempts to derive the equation of motion using the second-order differential equation for damped motion.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the constants derived from initial conditions, particularly regarding the values of C₁ and C₂ in the solution.
  • There is a focus on the differentiation process and the application of the product rule, with some participants expressing confusion over the resulting terms in the velocity equation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively exploring different interpretations of the problem and attempting to clarify their calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the differentiation process and the need to apply the product rule, but no consensus has been reached on the correct values of the constants.

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Participants note discrepancies between their results and those provided in the textbook, particularly concerning the arguments of the trigonometric functions in the solution. There is also mention of potential errors in the differentiation steps that could affect the outcome.

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Homework Statement


A force of 2 lb stretches a spring 1 ft. A 3.2 lb weight is attached to the spring and the system is then immersed in a medium that imparts a damping force numerically equal to 0.4 times the instantaneous velocity. Find the equation of motion if the weight is released from rest 1 ft above the equilibrium position.

Homework Equations


\frac{d^2t}{dt^2}+\frac{β}{m}\frac{dx}{dt}+\frac{k}{m}x=0

The Attempt at a Solution


The initial information says that a force of 2 lb stretches a spring 1 ft. I use that information to get my spring constant. F = ma = ks (s being the distance it stretches).
I use that to get k = 2
Then I use F = ma to get the mass. 3.2 = m*32 (32 \frac{ft}{s^2}=9.8\frac{m}{s^2})
β is given in the problem as 0.4.

So I use all of that and plug it into the formula and get...

\frac{d^2t}{dt^2}+4\frac{dx}{dt}+20x=0

That gives me this... m^2+4m+20=0

I use the quadratic formula to get -2\pm8i

So that gives me x(t)=e^{-2t}(C_{1}cos8t+C_{2}sin8t)
The equation for the velocity is x'(t)=-2(-8C_{1}sin8t+8C_{2}cos8t)

According to the problem, the initial position is -1 ft because it is released 1 foot above the equilibrium position, and down is positive. The initial velocity is 0 since it starts from rest.

But when I solve for x(0), I get C_{1}=-1 and when I solve for x'(0), I get C_{2}=0
The back of the book says those are the wrong constants.
And it has a different argument in the trig functions.
Here's the answer in the back of the book: x(t)=e^{-2t}(-cos4t-\frac{1}{2}sin4t)
 
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leroyjenkens said:

Homework Statement


A force of 2 lb stretches a spring 1 ft. A 3.2 lb weight is attached to the spring and the system is then immersed in a medium that imparts a damping force numerically equal to 0.4 times the instantaneous velocity. Find the equation of motion if the weight is released from rest 1 ft above the equilibrium position.


Homework Equations


\frac{d^2t}{dt^2}+\frac{β}{m}\frac{dx}{dt}+\frac{k}{m}x=0

The Attempt at a Solution


The initial information says that a force of 2 lb stretches a spring 1 ft. I use that information to get my spring constant. F = ma = ks (s being the distance it stretches).
I use that to get k = 2
Then I use F = ma to get the mass. 3.2 = m*32 (32 \frac{ft}{s^2}=9.8\frac{m}{s^2})
β is given in the problem as 0.4.

So I use all of that and plug it into the formula and get...

\frac{d^2t}{dt^2}+4\frac{dx}{dt}+20x=0

That gives me this... m^2+4m+20=0

I use the quadratic formula to get -2\pm8i

I would check that last step, especially since the answer has 4t in its arguments for the trig functions.
 
LCKurtz said:
I would check that last step, especially since the answer has 4t in its arguments for the trig functions.

Ah, you got me. I always divide the left side of the numerator by the denominator, but forget to divide the right side by the denominator as well. Thanks. I'll check that to see if it fixes my problems.

Ok I'm still getting 0 for C_2

My C_1 is correct. That equals -1.

Am I wrong that x'(0) is not equal to 0? That's the only way I can see getting C_2 = \frac{-1}{2}
 
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What happened to the exponential factor when you differentiated to find x'(t)?
 
vela said:
What happened to the exponential factor when you differentiated to find x'(t)?

I messed up, it's supposed to be there in x'(t), but it turns to 1 in x'(0), which leaves -2 outside the parentheses to turn my 4 into -8. But I still have that 0 on the left side, so I don't see how I could get the -1/2 that the book has for C_2.
What do you think?
 
You didn't differentiate correctly if you didn't use the product rule, which I don't think you're doing.
 

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