Applications of Vast Amounts of Electricity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential applications and implications of having an abundant source of electricity. Participants explore various theoretical and practical uses, including electrolysis for hydrogen production, space propulsion technologies, and the feasibility of electrical transportation systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that abundant electricity could enable cheap hydrogen production through electrolysis, questioning whether seawater or lakewater requires purification before this process.
  • There are mentions of light propulsion as a means to propel spacecraft using laser bursts, with some participants expressing optimism about achieving high speeds with sufficient electricity.
  • One participant proposes that desalination of seawater could become more feasible, alongside advancements in electric transportation technologies, such as electric motors for aircraft and electrically heated jet engines.
  • Various forms of space propulsion are discussed, including electrically heated propellant rockets, ion drives, and electrohydrodynamic torches, with some participants asking for clarification on these methods.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of decelerating spacecraft traveling at high speeds, with suggestions for potential solutions involving innovative designs like a two-piece sail for stopping mechanisms.
  • Participants debate the physiological effects of prolonged acceleration on humans, with differing opinions on the survivability of extended periods under various gravitational forces during space travel.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of humans enduring high acceleration or deceleration rates, while others argue that it may be manageable under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the implications of abundant electricity, the feasibility of various propulsion methods, and the physiological effects of acceleration on humans. No consensus is reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific requirements for electrolysis of seawater, the practicality of proposed propulsion methods, and the biological limits of human endurance under acceleration. These aspects remain unresolved and depend on various assumptions and definitions.

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Out of curiosity, what would an extremely abundant source of electricity provide the ability to do? Obviously it's cost would go down, allowing much more to be done with it in the home, but I'm looking for things along the lines of electrolysis of water to cheaply produce hydrogen, etc. Also, can seawater or typical lakewater be directly converted into hydrogen with electrolysis, or must it first be purified?
 
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to put it simpaly anything you could conceiveably want
 
I'm just wondering if there are any interesting/useful characteristics of electricity (such as it's production of hydrogen when shot through water) that I am overlooking or that I do not know of.
 
One thing I can think of is light prupolsion. You fire bursts of laser light at spaceship and you can give it momentum. With tremendous amounts of electricity, I don't see why you can't propel spacecraft at tremendous speeds.
 
interesting, thanks
 
Aside from the production of hydrogen, the desalination of seawater for drought-stricken areas would be far more attainable. I can also foresee purely electrical transportation technology, including electric motors for prop planes and electrically heated jet engines. Particle accelerators, and thus the research into fundamental particles, could increase drastically. As Pengwuino alluded to, various forms of space propulsion would become practical. There's lots more, but I have to watch TV now. Later, dude.
 
Do you know what forms of space propulsion there are other than laser?
 
As mentioned in regard to jets, you could have a rocket with electrically heated propellant. There are also ion drives, or you could use an electrohydrodynamic 'torch'. Magnetic containment bottles for fusion or antimatter reactors would be easier to maintain as well.
 
Pengwuino said:
One thing I can think of is light prupolsion. You fire bursts of laser light at spaceship and you can give it momentum. With tremendous amounts of electricity, I don't see why you can't propel spacecraft at tremendous speeds.

the only problem would be stopping said ship on the other end of the trip.
 
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Gir said:
the only problem would be stopping said ship on the other end of the trip.
The idea that I saw for that, although it was fictional, was to use a 2-piece sail. When it comes time to decelerate, the outer ring separates and zips ahead of the ship, then reflects and focuses the laser onto the front side of the centre section that's still attached to the ship. Of course, the ring would continue to accelerate away, but with enough lead time, it can stop the ship.
 
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Everything we normally do with electricity now, only without the bill.
 
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Well,, decelerating from light speed could be as simple as using current rocket propulsion, right? It would just take quite a while,, and you probably wouldn't want to do that with a manned ship b/c you'd have quite a harsh deceleration for days.
 
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At 3 g's, it would take about 2 months to decelerate from half the speed of light and require the same amount of energy as it took to accelerate it (assuming an external power source). A human could not withstand that. If such speeds are ever really attainable, only by spending many months accelerating at one gee, will it be possible for humans to travel that way.
 
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Three g's would certainly be rude. One and a half, however, although uncomfortable, shouldn't be debilitating to a very fit passenger. (They might go through a couple of cases of Preparation H, but circulation, respiration etc. shouldn't be too adversely affected.)
 
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I don't think a human could ever withstand the acceleration/deceleration that would be involved with traveling light speed. One g certainly is bareable... but constantly for months? I don't know a huge amount of biology, but I'm guessing that you'd die under even that force after only a few hours of it without any breaks. Anyway, decelerating from near light speed would indeed require as much energy as accelerating to light speed; but it could easily be carried out with other methods, as the propellent need not leave the ship at such tremendous speeds if its only purpose is to slow it down as opposed to speed it up.
 
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BasketDaN said:
One g certainly is bareable... but constantly for months? I don't know a huge amount of biology, but I'm guessing that you'd die under even that force after only a few hours of it without any breaks.

I dunno. I've been living under one g conditions for over fifty years now, and I'm still holding up rerasonably well.

Living for fifty years under zero g conditions is likely to be far more detrimental to my health.
 
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Bob3141592 said:
I dunno. I've been living under one g conditions for over fifty years now, and I'm still holding up rerasonably well.
Living for fifty years under zero g conditions is likely to be far more detrimental to my health.

Technically you're not at 1g conditions because the net force on you is 0 most of the time :P.

Living in 0 g conditions is actually pretty bad. From what I've heard, they choose older people to go to space because zero gravity breaks up your tissue and muscle rather quickly. That's why they exercise a LOT in space.
 
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Bob3141592 said:
I dunno. I've been living under one g conditions for over fifty years now, and I'm still holding up rerasonably well.
Living for fifty years under zero g conditions is likely to be far more detrimental to my health.


I mean 9.8 m/ss accel
 

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