Applied optimization to SHM problem? Hard?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the optimal position of the axis of a pendulum consisting of a uniform circular disk to minimize the periodic time for small amplitude oscillations. The discussion centers around the application of optimization techniques in the context of simple harmonic motion (SHM).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply optimization by maximizing angular frequency and questions the validity of their differentiation approach. They express uncertainty about the implications of squaring the equation and whether their method is correct.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide supportive feedback, indicating that the original poster's approach appears sound and that there are no apparent mistakes. There is an acknowledgment of the optimization method used, but no consensus on alternative methods is reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the differentiation involved and the potential challenges in factoring. The original poster also mentions uncertainty regarding the implications of the square root in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



A pendulum consists of a uniform circular disk of radius r which is free to turn about a horizontal axis perpendicular to it's plane. Find the position of the axis for which the periodic time ( for small amplitude oscillations) is a minimum.τ: torque
Ι (i): moment of inertia
m: mass
g:gravity
θ: angle between force mg and the radius length
r: radius
ω: angular frequency
T: period
Sinθ=θ for small amplitudes.
L: length (offset for parallel axis theorem.) (unknown?)

Homework Equations



Equation (1): τ= -mgL θ

Equation (2): θ'' + (mgL/ I ) θ = 0

Equation (3): ω = (gL / (.5 r^2 + L^2)) ^.5

The Attempt at a Solution


So I solved for ω and my reasoning was that in order to have the minimum periodic time ω has to be at it's maximum. So I used applied optimization and set dω/dL = 0. However, I am not sure if this was the right way to do it since I squared both sides of the equation 3 to get rid of the square root and then used implicit differentiation. But I think this might be wrong because it's like if I differentiates the inside of Eq. 1 and that differentiation does not take into account the square root. So I am not sure if I did it right. I differentiated directly but the derivative was a monster and I couldn't factor out the L to solve for it. Is this a right way to do it correctly?
 

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You removed the post ? I thought you did just fine!
 
It was correct?
 
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BvU said:
You removed the post ? I thought you did just fine!
It was correct?
 
Can't find no mistakes :smile: (PF isn't really meant for stamp approving, but I think you're doing fine).

Don't know of a different path to the same answer. Your squaring is justified: ##\omega## is known to be > 0 , so no problem.
 
BvU said:
Can't find no mistakes :smile: (PF isn't really meant for stamp approving, but I think you're doing fine).

Don't know of a different path to the same answer. Your squaring is justified: ##\omega## is known to be > 0 , so no problem.
Oh alright. Got it. Thanks for your guidance then ;p
 

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