Pendulum max gravity acceleration

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The discussion revolves around determining the ratio between the maximum acceleration of a pendulum's oscillation and gravitational acceleration, expressed in terms of the pendulum's string length, L. The context involves simple harmonic motion (SHM) and the implications of angular versus linear acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between maximum acceleration and gravitational acceleration, questioning whether the focus is on angular or linear acceleration. There is discussion about the ambiguity in the question and the need for clarity regarding the definition of the ratio. Some participants consider dimensional analysis and the impact of amplitude on the ratio.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the interpretation of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the accelerations involved, but no consensus has been reached on the exact interpretation or the correct answer.

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Participants note the ambiguity in the phrasing of the question, particularly regarding the definition of the ratio and the role of amplitude in determining the relationship between the two accelerations. There is also mention of the need for multiple distances for a complete analysis.

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Homework Statement



What is the ratio between maximum acceleration of pendulum oscillation and the gravity acceleration ?
Express the answer in terms of L (the length of pendulum string)

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The Attempt at a Solution



amax = ω2 A = (g/l) L sin θ = g sin θ

So, the ratio is sin θ..
But, how to express sin θ in terms of L?
I know that for small angles, sin θ can be approximated to θ, and θ is arc length/L... Still, it's confusing
 
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The question strikes me as ambiguous. Does it mean the maximum angular acceleration, ##\ddot \theta##, or the maximum linear tangential acceleration, ##L\ddot \theta##?
If we take it as linear, dimensional analysis shows the question is unanswerable. A ratio of two accelerations is dimensionless, so cannot be derived from a single distance. At least two distances would be required.
If we take it as angular, we still don't get any further since, as you found, it depends on the amplitude.

Another possibility is total linear acceleration, which means centripetal acceleration needs to be considered.
 
haruspex said:
The question strikes me as ambiguous. Does it mean the maximum angular acceleration, ##\ddot \theta##, or the maximum linear tangential acceleration, ##L\ddot \theta##?
If we take it as linear, dimensional analysis shows the question is unanswerable. A ratio of two accelerations is dimensionless, so cannot be derived from a single distance. At least two distances would be required.
If we take it as angular, we still don't get any further since, as you found, it depends on the amplitude.

Another possibility is total linear acceleration, which means centripetal acceleration needs to be considered.

The options are

A. 2L
B. √L
C. √(1/L)
D. L
E. 1/L

Which one is correct... please help
 
terryds said:
The options are

A. 2L
B. √L
C. √(1/L)
D. L
E. 1/L

Which one is correct... please help
I would say this establishes that what they are after is angular acceleration, ##\ddot \theta##, not linear acceleration. We still have the problem that the correct answer involves the amplitude, but maybe the question intended to ask only how the ratio depends on L, rather than an exact ratio between the two accelerations, so just treat it as though the amplitude is 1.
But there is a second difficulty. The "ratio between" does not specify which is to be divided by the other. Is a ratio of 1:L an answer of L or 1/L?
 
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haruspex said:
I would say this establishes that what they are after is angular acceleration, ##\ddot \theta##, not linear acceleration. We still have the problem that the correct answer involves the amplitude, but maybe the question intended to ask only how the ratio depends on L, rather than an exact ratio between the two accelerations, so just treat it as though the amplitude is 1.
But there is a second difficulty. The "ratio between" does not specify which is to be divided by the other. Is a ratio of 1:L an answer of L or 1/L?

It means the division of max pendulum acceleration by the gravitational acceleration. Maybe it's 1/L
 
terryds said:
It means the division of max pendulum acceleration by the gravitational acceleration. Maybe it's 1/L
That looks the most likely.
 

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