Applying SC. Lemma: Conditions & Practical Uses

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The discussion revolves around the application of Schwarz's lemma in complex analysis, particularly focusing on the conditions required for the lemma to hold and its practical uses in various problems. Participants explore the implications of the lemma when certain conditions are not met and seek clarification on the properties of specific functions involved.

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  • Some participants note that the conditions for Schwarz's lemma state that |f(z)| must be less than or equal to 1 and z must be less than 1, yet the lemma appears to be applied in cases where these conditions are not satisfied.
  • One participant suggests that a function f mapping the unit complex disc inside itself and fixing the origin satisfies |f(z)| ≤ |z| and |f'(0)| ≤ 1, and questions whether this can be understood through a Taylor series.
  • There are discussions about shifting or scaling functions to meet the hypotheses of the lemma, with examples provided for how to adjust functions that map larger discs into the unit disc.
  • Participants express confusion regarding the properties of a function g derived from a Möbius transformation and question why g is considered one-to-one and analytic, as well as how it maps the unit disc onto itself.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of the proofs and the assumptions being made, particularly regarding the conditions under which Schwarz's lemma is applied.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of Schwarz's lemma or the properties of the functions discussed. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the conditions necessary for the lemma to hold and the implications of the transformations involved.

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Limitations include unclear assumptions about the functions being analyzed, the dependence on specific definitions of analytic functions, and unresolved mathematical steps related to the properties of the transformations discussed.

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so the way book states it, for the sc. lemma to work, |f(z)| has to be less than or equal to 1 and and z has to be less than 1. However, the book seems to use the lemma in some problems even if one of the conditions is not satisfied ... any help with gretaly appreciated

also ...if you could rephrase the theorem so that it makes more practical sense, then that would be great too ... like so I know when I should apply the theorem to achieve the desired result.
 
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A function f that maps the unit complex disc inside itself and fixes the origin satisfies |f(z)|<=|z| and |f'(0)|<=1. there is also the fact that if there is any point where |f(z)|=|z| or if |f'(0)|=1 then f is a rotation.

Can't this just be seen by imagining a taylor series?

unless you post the other problems then no one can properly help you (ie how do they fail to meet the hypotheses). this is a purely local statement, so you can shift g(z) by a constant so that g(z)-c satisfies the hypotheses and apply to g(z)-c and get info about g, or you can scale g so that it maps the disc into the disc by replacing g by a contsnat times g, or you can restrict g to some region where you can apply the lemma.

Eg if g mapped the disc of radius 2 about the origin into itself and g(0)=0 set f(z)=g(2z)/2 to get something you can apply schwarz's lemma too.
 
matt grime said:
A function f that maps the unit complex disc inside itself and fixes the origin satisfies |f(z)|<=|z| and |f'(0)|<=1. there is also the fact that if there is any point where |f(z)|=|z| or if |f'(0)|=1 then f is a rotation.

Can't this just be seen by imagining a taylor series?

unless you post the other problems then no one can properly help you (ie how do they fail to meet the hypotheses). this is a purely local statement, so you can shift g(z) by a constant so that g(z)-c satisfies the hypotheses and apply to g(z)-c and get info about g, or you can scale g so that it maps the disc into the disc by replacing g by a contsnat times g, or you can restrict g to some region where you can apply the lemma.

Eg if g mapped the disc of radius 2 about the origin into itself and g(0)=0 set f(z)=g(2z)/2 to get something you can apply schwarz's lemma too.
f (z) = lamdba (a - z)/(1 - abar*z) |lambda| = 1; |a| <1
where f is any one-to-one analytic function mapping delta = {z:|z| < 1} onto itself
set g(z) = (a - f(z))/(1-abar*f(z))
now they say that g is one-to-one analytic function mapping delta onto delta (why?) and g(0) = 0
and then they applied schwarz lemma to the function g(z) (why??)

i might be missing something fundamental about properties of conjugate of a complex number (oh i know what conjugate is though ... so don't restate the obvious lol) that I don't see how |g(z)| <=1

and also why is g(z) is one-to-one analytic function mapping delta onto delta?

thanks
 
sweetvirgogirl said:
f (z) = lamdba (a - z)/(1 - abar*z) |lambda| = 1; |a| <1
where f is any one-to-one analytic function mapping delta = {z:|z| < 1} onto itself
set g(z) = (a - f(z))/(1-abar*f(z))
now they say that g is one-to-one analytic function mapping delta onto delta (why?)

Work it out: f is a mobius transformation and g(z) is f(f(z).

and g(0) = 0
and then they applied schwarz lemma to the function g(z) (why??)

presumably because it shows them something useful. as we have no idea what they want to prove we cannot explain it.

I don't see how |g(z)| <=1. and also why is g(z) is one-to-one analytic function mapping delta onto delta?

Whic part don't you see? Which part have you tried to prove? It is clearly analytic, and injective: it is a mobius map. g(0) is obviously 0, so all it remains is to show that it transforms delta inside itself. so what is the |g(z)| if |z|<=1?
 
sweetvirgogirl said:
f (z) = lamdba (a - z)/(1 - abar*z) |lambda| = 1; |a| <1
where f is any one-to-one analytic function mapping delta = {z:|z| < 1} onto itself
set g(z) = (a - f(z))/(1-abar*f(z))
now they say that g is one-to-one analytic function mapping delta onto delta (why?)

Work it out: f is a multiple of mobius transformation and g(z) is easy to work out.

Are you claiming that f is any analytic bijection? Or have you proved that all analytic bijections of the disc are of that form? What exactly is it you are trying to prove? It is very unclear from what you have written what is given and what is to be proven, if anything.

and g(0) = 0
and then they applied schwarz lemma to the function g(z) (why??)

presumably because it shows them something useful. as we have no idea what they want to prove we cannot explain it.

I don't see how |g(z)| <=1. and also why is g(z) is one-to-one analytic function mapping delta onto delta?

Whic part don't you see? Which part have you tried to prove?
 
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