Approximate Solutions to Non-Linear Differential Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding approximate solutions to a specific non-linear differential equation, Y''=(1/Y)(Y')^2-Y*A+Y^2*A, which lacks a known closed form solution. Participants explore various methods and techniques for approximating solutions, including quadrature and perturbation methods, while addressing the challenges associated with integration and solution derivation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in approximating the solution to the non-linear differential equation and inquires about relevant literature and techniques.
  • Another participant suggests that the absence of the independent variable in the equation indicates it may be suitable for quadrature, proposing a transformation to a separable first-order equation.
  • A question arises about the meaning of "quadrature" in the context of numerical integration.
  • A participant notes that despite transforming the equation, they encounter difficulties in integrating a second time, indicating that a solution remains elusive.
  • Another participant proposes a substitution to rewrite the equation, leading to a new form that can be integrated with an integrating factor, although the resulting expression is still complex.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance and shares an integral derived from their work, noting the lack of a closed form solution and seeking advice on approximating the integral while aiming to solve algebraically for y.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific method for approximating the solution, and multiple approaches are discussed without agreement on their effectiveness or feasibility.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the complexity of the integrals involved and the absence of closed form solutions, as well as the dependence on specific transformations and substitutions that may not yield straightforward results.

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I'm interested in coming up with an function that approximates the solution to a non-linear differential equation. (There is no known closed form solution)

The equation is Y''=(1/Y)(Y')^2-Y*A+Y^2*A where "A" is a constant, and Y' and Y'' are the first and second derivatives with respect to x.

How would I look for approximations to the answer in the literature? Is this equation a member of a certain class of differential equations?

Is there a technique known to work well?

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Since the independent variable does not appear explicitely in this equation, it looks like a candidate for "quadrature". Taking x to be the independent variable, let z= dy/dx. Then d2y/dx2= dz/dx= (dz/dy)(dy/dx)= zdz/dx. Now the equation becomes
[tex]z\frac{dz}{dy}= \frac{z^2}{y}- Ay+ Ay^2[/tex]
a separable first order equation.

Another typical method for non-linear equations is "perturbations". The "WKB approximation" in quantum mechanics is a type of perburbation method.
 
quadrature as in numerical integration?
 
If I work the problem using this form [tex]z\frac{dz}{dy}= \frac{z^2}{y}- Ay+ Ay^2[/tex]

, I'm still left with an integral that has no solution when I try to integrate a second time!
 
Well, set [tex]u=\frac{1}{2}z^{2}[/tex], rewriting the equation as:
[tex]\frac{du}{dy}-\frac{2}{y}u=-Ay+Ay^{2}[/tex]
Multiplying this by the integrating factor y^-2, we get:
[tex]\frac{d}{dy}(\frac{1}{y^{2}}u)=-\frac{A}{y}+A[/tex],
or, by integrating:
[tex]u=Cy^{2}+Ay^{3}-Ay^{2}\ln(y)[/tex]
Thus, we get:
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\pm\sqrt{2(Cy^{2}+Ay^{3}-Ay^{2}\ln(y))}[/tex]

which is separable, if not easy to solve..
 
Thanks for the help!

[tex]\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\left(C Y^2+A Y^3-A Y^2 \text{Log}[Y]\right)}}[/tex]

(I hope that is right, the latex preview isn't working for me)

After separating the variables, one is left with the integral above which has no closed form solution. What is the best way to approximate the integral, keeping in mind that I want to solve algebraically for y in the end.
 
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