Approximating f '(2) with a Special Calculator

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The discussion revolves around approximating the derivative of a function f at the point x = 2 using values obtained from a special calculator. Participants are exploring how to apply the definition of the derivative in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the limit definition of the derivative and express confusion over division by zero when substituting directly. They explore alternative methods for approximation, such as using values around x = 2 to estimate f'(2).

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested evaluating the function at points close to 2 to improve the approximation of the derivative. There is acknowledgment of the potential limitations of the calculator's precision when using very close values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of not knowing the explicit formula for f(x), which complicates direct calculations. The discussion includes considerations of how to approach the problem without complete information.

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Homework Statement



You can use the following special computer to determine values f(x) of a certain function f. Use these values to determine which of the following numbers best approximates f '(2).

There is a calculator provided: http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/mth251/cq/Stage5/Onward/mysteryFunction.html

I know it says it is for a quiz, I'm not taking a quiz.

Homework Equations



f'(a) = lim x-->a [f(x) - f(a)] / x-a or lim h--> 0 [f(a+h) - f(a)] / h

The Attempt at a Solution

So, I know f(2) = 6, f(3) = 24 etc.

so f'(2) = lim x-->2 [f(x)-f(2)]/x-2

if I put in 2 for "x" then I get a division by zero problem.

I'm lost as to where to go from here. Help?
 
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char808 said:

Homework Statement



You can use the following special computer to determine values f(x) of a certain function f. Use these values to determine which of the following numbers best approximates f '(2).

There is a calculator provided: http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/mth251/cq/Stage5/Onward/mysteryFunction.html

I know it says it is for a quiz, I'm not taking a quiz.

Homework Equations



f'(a) = lim x-->a [f(x) - f(a)] / x-a or lim h--> 0 [f(a+h) - f(a)] / h

The Attempt at a Solution




So, I know f(2) = 6, f(3) = 24 etc.

so f'(2) = lim x-->2 [2-f(a)]/2-a
This won't do you much good because you don't know the formula for f(x).

You can get an approximate value for f'(2) by evaluating (f(3) - f(1))/(3 - 1). You can get a better value by evaluating (f(2.5) - f(1.5))/(2.5 - 1.5).

Can you think of how you might get a value that's even closer to f'(2)?
char808 said:
if I put in 2 for "a" then I get a division by zero problem.

I'm lost as to where to go from here. Help?
 


Duh. Thank you.

f(2.1)-f(1.9) / 2.1 - 1.9 = 11.005
 


Yes, and you can get even closer...
 


Ok, so for the sake of my personal enrichment...:smile:

I've got the answer for the problem, because I'm trying to find one of a five possible answers, one of which is 11.

If I continue to make the values closer to 2 then I should get a value that is ever closer to 11, right? IE- 2.0001 and 1.9999 etc etc.
 


Yes, in theory. In reality you might run up against the ability of the online computer to do arithmetic with sufficient precision, maybe.
 

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