Approximation of electric field of uniform charged disk

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The discussion revolves around the electric field of a uniformly charged disk, specifically at a point along its axis at a distance much greater than the disk's radius. The original poster seeks clarification on the approximation of the electric field when the distance x is significantly larger than the radius R, and how this leads to a different expression for the electric field.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the transition from the electric field expression involving the disk's radius to the approximation involving the total charge. They question the validity of their approximation and express confusion over obtaining an incorrect result.
  • Some participants suggest using a binomial expansion or a MacLaurin expansion to clarify the approximation process, indicating a focus on mathematical reasoning and expansion techniques.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into mathematical techniques that could clarify the original poster's confusion. There is an exchange of ideas regarding the appropriate method for approximating the expression, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are discussing the assumptions involved in approximating the electric field, particularly in the context of the relationship between x and R. The original poster's homework constraints are implied but not explicitly stated.

yoran
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Hi,

Homework Statement


The electric field of a uniform charged disk at a point on its axis at a distance x from the disk is given by
[tex]E = 2k_e\pi\sigma(1-\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+R^2}})[/tex]
where R the radius of the disk and [tex]\sigma[/tex] the surface charge density.
In my notes it says that when [tex]x\gg R[/tex], that is when the distance x to the disk is much bigger than the radius of the disk, then
[tex]E\approx k_e\frac{Q}{x^2}[/tex]
with the Q the total charge on the disk. How do they come to that result?

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The Attempt at a Solution


When [tex]x\gg R[/tex], then [tex]\sqrt{x^2+R^2}\approx\sqrt{x^2}=x[/tex]. But then I get that [tex]E=0[/tex], which is not obviously not correct.
I guess the approximation that [tex]\sqrt{x^2+R^2}\approx\sqrt{x^2}[/tex] is wrong. But how is the approximation then?

Thank you.
 
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yoran said:
When [tex]x\gg R[/tex], then [tex]\sqrt{x^2+R^2}\approx\sqrt{x^2}=x[/tex]. But then I get that [tex]E=0[/tex], which is not obviously not correct.
I guess the approximation that [tex]\sqrt{x^2+R^2}\approx\sqrt{x^2}[/tex] is wrong. But how is the approximation then?

Thank you.

Hi yoran! :smile:

Always divide so that you get a "1" at the beginning:

√(x²/(x² + R²)) = 1/√(1 + R²/x²) ≈ 1 - R²/2x². :smile:
 
Also Yoran your mistake was that basically you did a 0th order expansion!

If you are not comfy with binomial expansions, you can always MacLaurin expand the function in R/x. You are still using the same thing though-- expanding in R/x instead of x because you want a variable that is small i.e. much less than one (so you can truncate the expansion and still have it legitimately approximate the original function), which R/x satisfies, while just straight up x is very large.
 
Allright then thanks a lot!
 

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