Arc Length of Cycloid: Show s^2=8ay

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The problem involves the arc length of a cycloid, defined by the parametric equations x=a(θ - sinθ) and y=a(1-cosθ). The original poster attempts to show that s²=8ay, where s represents the arc length from θ=0. They express uncertainty regarding the integration process needed to derive this relationship.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of half-angle formulas and their implications for the integral. There are questions about the correct application of trigonometric identities and the limits of integration for the cycloid's arc length.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide hints regarding trigonometric identities, while others express confusion about the results obtained from the integration. There is a recognition that the formula s²=8ay may not hold under certain conditions, prompting further exploration of the integral's limits and the validity of the assumptions made.

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Participants note that the limits of integration may need to be reconsidered, particularly in relation to the cycloid's behavior over different intervals. There is also mention of potential discrepancies in the derived formula when evaluated at specific points.

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The parametric equations of a cycloid are x=a(\theta - \sin\theta) \mbox{ and } y = a(1-\cos\theta) \\ Where a is a constant. Show that s^2=8ay, where s is the arc length measured from the point theta =0

\frac{dx}{d\theta} =a(1-\cos\theta) \mbox{ and } \frac{dy}{d\theta}= a\sin\theta\\
\int\sqrt{a^2(1-\cos\theta)^2 +a^2\sin^2 \theta}d\theta \\ = \sqrt{2}a\int\sqrt{1 - \cos\theta}d\theta\\. I don't know how to do the integration, a hint would be welcome. Thanks.
 
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There's a half angle formula that can help you a lot.
 
IS it \cos2\theta = \frac{1-\tan^2 \theta}{1+tan^2\theta}
 
What is \sin{\frac{\theta}{2}} ?
 
I got this formula \sin^2 \theta = \frac{1}{2}(1-\cos2\theta) \\ \mbox{ therefore we have the integral =} \sqrt{2}a\int_0^{2\pi}\sqrt{2\sin^2 \frac{\theta}{2}}d\theta \\ . When I evaluate this integral I get s=8a not s^2=8ay. I have to look up what the \sin\frac{\theta}{2} \ equals.
 
The half-angle formula is: \sin\frac{\theta}{2} = \sqrt{\frac{(s-b)(s-c)}{bc}} \mbox{ where } \ s=\frac{a+b+c}{2} \\. How do I use this? Thanks.
 
That looks like a triangle formula - why would you want to use that? I agree with you that the integral from 0 to 2pi is 8a. y(2pi)=0. So s^2=8ay doesn't work. It does work for pi. But it doesn't work for pi/2. I don't think its a very good formula.
 
A cycloid is the path traced out by a point on a car wheel as the car is moving at constant speed, I think. Therefore the limits of integration would be 0 to pi.Thanks for the help.
 

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