Arc Length Problem: Find s & Deduce y=e-s | Oscar

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the arc length of a parametric curve defined by the equations x=t-tanh(t) and y=sech(t). Participants explore how to express the arc length s in terms of the parameter t and how to deduce the relationship y=e-s for points on the curve.

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Main Points Raised

  • Oscar presents a problem from a textbook regarding the arc length of a curve and expresses difficulty in deducing that y=e-s.
  • One participant suggests that there may be a misunderstanding, indicating that y and e-s may not be equal, as shown by testing s=0.
  • Oscar confirms the problem is quoted correctly from the textbook and expresses confusion over the relationship between y and s.
  • Another participant proposes that the problem is asking for y in terms of s, rather than the other way around.
  • A participant states that it follows trivially from the equations y=sech(t) and s=ln(cosh(t)).
  • Oscar requests clarification on how to derive s=ln(cosh(t)), expressing confusion over the evaluation of the integral.
  • A participant corrects Oscar's integral evaluation, suggesting that s(t) should be defined as the integral of tanh(u) from 0 to t.
  • Oscar acknowledges the misunderstanding and expresses gratitude for the assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There appears to be some disagreement regarding the interpretation of the relationship between y and s, with participants offering different perspectives on the problem's requirements. The discussion reflects uncertainty and varying interpretations of the problem statement.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the correct evaluation of the integral and the relationship between the variables, indicating potential limitations in understanding the problem's requirements.

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Hey guys,

Got a bit of a problem with a question I found in a textbook. I can do most of it but there's one little part I'm really struggling with:

A curve C is given parametrically by:
x=t-tanht, y=secht, t\geq0​

The length of arc C measured from the point (0,1) to a general point with parameter t is s. Find s in terms of t and deduce that, for any point on the curve, y=e-s.I'm happy finding that the arc length is defined as \int (tanht)dt between the limits of 0 and s, and i evaluate this integral to be ln(coshs) however after this I am stumped; I am having great trouble getting to y=e-s.Can anyone please help me out?Oscar
 
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Perhaps you have misunderstood or mis-quoted the problem. Your work looks correct but the reason you can't get to y = e-s is the two aren't equal, as trying s = 0 will show.
 
It is a past examination question and I quoted it word for word from what is in my textbook. I've doubled checked it and what I have written is definitely what is written down here... so unless there is a typo in the textbook I really don't know what is going on :S


Thanks for the speedy reply,
Oscar
 
On looking again, perhaps the difficulty is that the problem is asking for y in terms of s, apparently not what you have calculated.
 
In fact it's trivial from the equations y = sech(t) and s = ln(cosh(t)).
 
Sorry if I'm being stupid here;

Could you please tell me how you got s=ln(cosh(t))? I evaluated the integral as C=ln(cosh(s)), so I am confused as to how you made this step. I'm okay as to how you solved the problem from there on though :)


Thank you for the help,
Oscar
 
Your original integral was (or should have been)

s(t) = \int_0^t tanh(u)\, du
 
Ahh i see my error, you were right in your first post, I have misread the question.

I understand now.

Thank you for your help :)
Oscar
 

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