Are all atoms of a ferro conductor attracted in a magnetic field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of atoms in ferromagnetic conductors when exposed to a strong magnetic field. Participants explore whether all or a significant portion of the atoms experience attraction due to induced magnetic dipole moments, delving into the implications of magnetic forces at the atomic level.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant wonders if all or a large portion of the atoms in a ferromagnetic conductor are attracted in a magnetic field, comparing this to gravitational attraction.
  • Another participant states that all atoms with a non-zero magnetic dipole will "feel" the magnetic force, but not all contribute positively to the overall magnetic effect.
  • A follow-up inquiry seeks to understand the proportion of atoms in a ferromagnetic material that possess a non-zero dipole and where to find this information.
  • A later reply indicates that the answer to these questions is highly dependent on the specific materials and circumstances involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that not all atoms contribute positively to the magnetic force, but the extent of the contribution and the specific conditions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on material properties and specific circumstances, which are not fully explored or defined in the conversation.

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That is what I wondering. When you put a ferromagnetic conductor in a strong magnetic field, the ferro conductor is strongly attracted because of induced strong magnetic dipole moments inside the conductor.
My question: are all or (atleast a large portion) of the atoms of the conductor "feeling this pull" kind of like how gravity pulls all atoms in matter? An explanation if the answer is either yes or a no would be very appreciated.

Thanks
 
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All atoms with a non-zero magnetic dipole will "feel" the magnetic force.
Not all the atoms in a magnet will contribute positively to the bulk/net magnetic force.
 
Thanks Simon. Ok, so its a portion of the atoms then. Good. how large is this portion or how many atoms of a certain ferro material have a non zero dipole, where can I find that out ?

Thanks
 
Just checking in: How did you get on with this question?

The answer to your questions depend a great deal on the specific materials and the circumstances.
 

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