Are All Electrons Created Equal? The Implications of Quantum Field Theory

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The discussion centers on the fundamental characteristics of electrons as identical fermions in quantum mechanics. It establishes that electrons cannot be distinguished from one another based on intrinsic properties, leading to the necessity of anti-symmetrization of their wave functions, which is essential for the Pauli exclusion principle. The implications of this indistinguishability are significant, affecting the behavior of systems containing multiple electrons and their interactions. The conversation also touches on the complexities of measuring and interpreting electron behavior in various contexts, emphasizing the limitations of distinguishing between identical particles.

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  • #31
Except... It might change the momentum?
 
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Jilang said:
Except... It might change the momentum?

Except it must be conserved.
 
  • #33
craigi said:
Except it must be conserved.

Mmmm, doesn't the uncertainty in the momentum increase with time or am I getting that bit wrong?
 
  • #34
Jilang said:
Mmmm, doesn't the uncertainty in the momentum increase with time or am I getting that bit wrong?

Are you talking about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?
 
  • #35
I'm talking about the diffusion type process described by the Schroedinger equation.
 
  • #36
doesn't the uncertainty in the momentum increase with time or am I getting that bit wrong?

Measurements always show a statistical distribution.
 
  • #37
Jilang said:
Do we know if the electron that is emitted is the same one that is detected?
This is a meaningless question for identical particles such as electrons.
 
  • #38
atyy said:
If they were not identical, this anti-symmetrization would not be required. This anti-symmetrization leads to things like the Pauli exclusion principle which has experimental consequences.

What do you think are the most striking experimental consequences?
 
  • #39
ddd123 said:
What do you think are the most striking experimental consequences?
Now that's an open-ended question :)
The Pauli exclusion principle is responsible for the behavior of electrons around the nucleus, and this in turn is responsible for just about all the behavior of matter: chemistry, solidity, density, ... Without the exclusion principle, EVERYTHING would be unimaginably different.
 
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Are all electrons equal?

Yes, but some are more equal than others.

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The idea of particles as these individual entities is superseded by quantum field theory, in the second quantization. It doesn't really make sense to think of two electrons as separate things, since they are both excitations of an underlying electron field. The only way for two electrons to have different properties is for there to be multiple different electron fields. In which case, we would not call them both electrons. For example, we call an electron-like object with higher mass a muon.

Bad analogy time: if I have two cents in my bank account, I can transfer them one at a time, but there's no way to distinguish one cent from the other cent since they are just numbers in a computer, not physical pennies.
 
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