Are generators efficient when powering only one small appliance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of generators when powering a single small appliance, specifically in the context of household generators used during power failures. Participants explore how fuel consumption varies with different loads and the operational mechanics of generators.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a generator running at maximum output (1 kW) while powering a single 100 W bulb is operating at its maximum potential or using less fuel compared to powering multiple bulbs.
  • Another participant suggests that the generator will use less fuel with fewer appliances connected, but it operates most efficiently near its maximum output, implying that fuel savings are not linear.
  • There is a discussion about how generators maintain constant voltage, with one participant explaining that the generator's RPM affects voltage and that a governor regulates fuel supply to maintain speed when load changes occur.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of constant voltage, prompting further clarification about the generator's operation and RPM stability.
  • It is noted that if no power is drawn, the generator maintains a steady speed, and any load can cause a momentary drop in speed, which the governor compensates for.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that fuel consumption is less with fewer appliances connected, but there is no consensus on the exact efficiency dynamics or the extent of fuel savings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of generator efficiency at varying loads.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the mechanics of generator operation, including RPM and governor function, but do not delve into specific efficiency metrics or detailed mathematical modeling of fuel consumption.

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i am asking about the generators we use in house when there is a power failure(now a days people use inverters)

here goes the question
suppose the generator is running (max ouput is 1kw) but we are using a electric bulb(100w)
is it running in its max potential or using less fuel compared to when it is used tp light 10 100w bulbs
if yes
how does it know how much energy output is required
if no
how is the excessive energy dissipated it is too much energy to be be dissipated by sound and heat (then generators are very inefficient)

awaiting answer
Rohit Kumar Patra
 
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It will use less fuel if only one light bulb is attached to it than if 10 are. It doesn't need to "know" anything - the generator runs at constant voltage and the resistance on the circuit determines the amperage. The amperage and voltage together determine the torque required to spin the generator and thus the fuel input required.

That said, a generator is sized and matched with the engine that drives it. It is at its most efficient near its maximum output. As such, it won't use 1/10th the fuel with 1light bulb as with 10 - perhaps it only uses 1/5th the fuel. The extra energy is dissipated as heat: at best, about 2/3 of the energy of an internal combustion engine is dissipated at heat (at worst, all of it is).
 
can you explain the following part to me
"the generator runs at constant voltage "

thanking you
Rohit
 
Sorry, I'm not quite sure what there is to explain about that statement. Could you be more specific about what you don't understand about that?
 
rohit1987 said:
can you explain the following part to me
"the generator runs at constant voltage "

thanking you
Rohit

Generator voltage is based on RPM, most gas driven generators are designed to be driven at a steady speed of 3600 RPM.

If no power is being drawn from the generator the speed will be steady and you can tell by the sound of the gas engine what is going on, if one bulb is turned on you can hear a slight momentary drop in speed, a governor senses this drop and automatically increases fuel supply to bring the engine back to the proper speed, as more bulbs are turned on this process repeats.

If the load imposed on the generator is large enough, the gas engine can be stalled completely .
 
RonL said:
Generator voltage is based on RPM, most gas driven generators are designed to be driven at a steady speed of 3600 RPM.

If no power is being drawn from the generator the speed will be steady and you can tell by the sound of the gas engine what is going on, if one bulb is turned on you can hear a slight momentary drop in speed, a governor senses this drop and automatically increases fuel supply to bring the engine back to the proper speed, as more bulbs are turned on this process repeats.

If the load imposed on the generator is large enough, the gas engine can be stalled completely .

thank you
that's what i exactly wanted to know
rohit
 

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