Are Most Motorcycle Fatalities Self-Inflicted or Caused by Other Drivers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the causes of motorcycle fatalities, specifically whether they are primarily self-inflicted or caused by other drivers. Participants explore definitions of fault in accidents, statistics related to motorcycle safety, and the implications of these factors on understanding motorcycle fatalities.

Discussion Character

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definitions of self-inflicted versus other driver-caused fatalities in motorcycle accidents.
  • There is a suggestion that a significant portion of motorcycle accidents may be attributed to the motorcyclists themselves, with one participant sharing a personal story of loss related to 'own fault' accidents.
  • Approximately two thirds of motorcycle accidents involve a car, leading to the assertion that at least a third of motorcyclists could be excluded from fatalities caused by other drivers.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to determine fault in accidents, noting the complexity of the issue.
  • There is mention of a bumper sticker that advocates for accountability regarding motorcyclist fatalities, prompting questions about its existence and implications.
  • One participant questions whether the statistics regarding car accidents involving other cars are similar to those for motorcycle accidents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions of fault or the implications of the statistics discussed. Multiple competing views remain regarding the causes of motorcycle fatalities.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clear definitions for fault in accidents and the potential variability in statistics regarding motorcycle and car accidents.

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How many motorcyclists kill themselves in traffic accidents, compared to those killed by other drivers?
 
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Loren Booda said:
How many motorcyclists kill themselves in traffic accidents, compared to those killed by other drivers?

How do you define the difference?
 
With or without helmets?

Do they have statistics on who was to blame? Driver fault?
 
DaveC426913 said:
How do you define the difference?

I think he might mean by their fault as opposed to another drivers fault. Interesting question. I daresay 'own fault' is probably higher than one would think.

I lost an 18 year old nephew to 'own fault'. The consequences to his family, particularly his mother, were severe and very long term.
 
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alt said:
I think he might mean by their fault as opposed to another drivers fault.
Indeed. A very tricky thing to determine.


Borg said:
Approximately two thirds of motorcycle accidents involve a car. So, at least a third of motorcyclists could be excluded from being killed by other drivers.
True. Though not sure whether it illuminates or obfuscates the issue.

What percentage of car accidents involve another car? More or less than 2/3rds?
 
I had been thinking of the bumper sticker that to exhorts to pursue those who "kill" motorcyclists.
 
Loren Booda said:
I had been thinking of the bumper sticker that to exhorts to pursue those who "kill" motorcyclists.

Really? There is such a bumper sticker?
 
"Kill a biker, go to jail." It's just not that simple, and the death may apply to a relatively small minority of fatalities involving another vehicle.
 

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