Are Olympic weightlifting records based on mass or weight?

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The discussion revolves around the distinction between mass and weight in the context of Olympic weightlifting records. Participants explore whether the records are based on mass (kilograms) or weight (pounds force) and the implications of gravitational variations at different latitudes, particularly at the equator versus locations like Alaska.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether Olympic weightlifting records are determined by mass or weight, noting a 0.3% change in weight due to gravitational differences at various latitudes.
  • Others suggest that body weight classifications are based on mass, as scales are typically calibrated to measure mass.
  • A participant recalls using balance scales in wrestling, implying that the precision of measurement may vary with different types of scales.
  • There is speculation about whether the competition focuses on the weight lifted or the mass of the competitor, and how this could affect records based on location.
  • Some participants mention the need for a rulebook to clarify the official standards for weightlifting records.
  • Discussions arise about the conversion between kilograms and pounds, with some noting discrepancies in recorded weights and suggesting that precision may vary.
  • One participant posits that if records were based on mass, astronauts might hold significant records due to the differences in gravitational force in space.
  • There is a consideration of how gravitational differences might impact other sports, such as pole vaulting or figure skating, though participants express that the effects may vary by sport.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the practicality of finding weights calibrated in pounds force, suggesting that measuring in Newtons might be more appropriate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on whether Olympic weightlifting records are based on mass or weight, with multiple competing views and ongoing debate about the implications of gravitational differences.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the calibration of scales, the definitions of mass and weight, and the potential discrepancies in recorded weights across different locations and contexts.

  • #31
The impact of altitude on sporting records has been officially recognised in athletics since at least the 1968 olympics in Mexico City, at which athletes set new records for jumps and sprints were broken that stood for unusually long times after that. Mexico City has altitude approx 2240m. The thin air provides a considerable advantage for jumps and sprints. For distance events, the opposite effect arose, as the shortage of oxygen slowed down the athletes. However in cycling, where air resistance has much greater importance because of the higher velocities, Mexico City became a favoured venue for attempts on the world record for distance ridden in one hour.

Apparently, official track and field world records now exclude performances at altitudes above 1000m.

This thread makes me realize that in addition to the thin air, Mexico City advantages runners by reducing their weight, since at latitude 19 degrees, Mexico City would still be materially affected by the equatorial bulge. But for distance events the weight effect would be much more than offset by the lack of oxygen. For short sprints, the advantage of lower weight would be greatest for 200m or 400m as, for 100m or 60m, the acceleration at the start plays a crucial role, and that is governed by mass rather than weight.

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BWV said:
What is the weight difference between historical Summer Olympics locations the closest and furthest from the Equator? Just eyeballing a list, looks like Helsinki and Rio. If you are going to worry about this with weightlifting, why not pole vaulting or any other track and field event? Would not figure skating moves be easier if the skater is 0.3% lighter?
The "world's strongest man" achieved his feat in Thailand:

Even the top individual lift (clean & jerk) was done in Australia:

 

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