You don't have a strong grasp of all forms of thinking. Hypothetical examples provide an unbiased comparison for evaluating something biased in an unbiased way. Patriotism biases people emotionally and cognitively in favor of national realism. If as many brainwashing techniques were devote to installing loyalty and faith in Mother Gaya as national institutions, people would cling just as dearly to that ideology. You are trying to exploit the normalization of nationalism in modern hegemony by refusing to compare hypotheticals.No, I don't waste my time on hypothetical: the fact that you must resort to them to try and make a point indicates to me that you cannot provide precise and exact evidence to support your nationalism claims. I have no problem with you criticizing something, provided you back it up with some good solid evidence.
Again, nationalist realism. You are so obsessed with elevating the status of nationalism that you will call anyone who wants to regard it as just another social institution as crazy. If I was questioning the reality of fiscal stimulus programs or racial discrimination, would you call me crazy?Again, no. I generally roll my eyes when I read stuff that comes off as crackpot.
It's not that they aren't different. It's that it is irrelevant that they are. States can be compared and contrasted as well, as can businesses, families, individuals, books, etc. Just because two books are different doesn't mean they're not both books or that they both don't say similar things. To a chemistry teacher, two different chemistry books are probably worlds apart whereas a student probably couldn't tell the difference. Oh, sorry, I forgot you can't comprehend analogies. What I'm saying is that difference is relative and subjective.If you are going to make a statement like this, which from what I read here you are recognizing that nations are both culturally and legally different from other nations, then this does not jive with your earlier statements in this thread:
The part where migration controls are constitutional. Slavery was legal too, for many years, but was eventually found to be inconsistent with the founding principles. Instead of bickering over existing laws, we should be discussing the fundamentals of why the US was created as an independent republic in the first place. Was it to create a protected global elite who could enjoy the privileges of international trade while limiting access to new citizens or was it for people to go someplace to live free and survive by their own labor?Being legal means just that, coming to this country via legal immigration means. What part of this don't you understand?
The same way escaped slaves were illegal, along with anyone who harbored them, when laws required slaves to be returned to their rightful owners. Further, do you realize the emancipation proclamation was declared as an executive act? Ok, the congress created an amendment later, but who is to say it was ethical to take those slave owners' property away from them like that? Are you capable of reasoning about ethics without reference to the law or are you only capable of seeing something as right or wrong by its legal status?And currently, they are......illegal
Half the republican party is so liberally spun at this point they think Lincoln and abolitionists were democrats.What do you mean "so-called" - brainstorm, say this with me: "They are here illegally" this is not a 'so-called', it is a FACT. This is an absurd amount of liberal spin on your part.
Migration control has nothing to do with labor rights?Were not discussing slavery.
Your only argument against any of my very relevant examples it to call them tangents. The question is if you're really interested in border regulation for constructive reasons, why don't you put those on the table instead of just making vague reference to them to try to prove you're right that nationalism is good? It's like you're more interested in winning than backing up your opinions with reason.Who said it is unethical, other than you? It is not unethical, and the fact that you are asking why anyone should be illegal to start with is beyond me. People and goods have to be regulated when moving across boarders - I can't imagine you not being able to see why this is so, your not that stupid. (bringing up Nuremberg and WWII.....really? Yet another wild tangent trying to play on the emotions for a lack of a cogent argument )
"Love it or leave it," huh, Nationalist? People who think like you make me laugh because when you finally win the argument, which is of course pre-determined by the amount of inertia behind nationalism, then you insist that the point of the US nation is democracy and having a free republic. In reality, you just want the US to be a national-socialist totalitarian regime with zero-tolerance for democracy or any kind of freedom unless you're rich enough to live without being employed. The constitution is wasted protecting views like yours.You made a claim about his point of view, then back it up - otherwise, don't bring it up. Again with this class-standards nonsense . You should try moving to North Korea, they like your radical views there.