Are Pop Science Sources Reliable for Scientific Debates?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reliability of popular science (pop science) sources in scientific debates, particularly within the context of the Physics Forums community. Participants explore the utility and drawbacks of pop science as a means of conveying scientific concepts, as well as comparisons to preprints from Arxiv and their acceptance in scientific discourse.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that pop science sources can be useful for conveying principles in an engaging way and keeping both laypersons and experts informed about scientific developments.
  • Others contend that pop science is unreliable, often oversimplifying complex topics and leading to misconceptions, which can hinder true understanding of scientific concepts.
  • There is a discussion about the acceptance of Arxiv papers as reliable sources, with some suggesting that they maintain a minimum standard of reliability compared to pop science sources.
  • Some participants highlight that the purpose of reading pop science differs from engaging in serious scientific debate, suggesting that it may serve to spark interest rather than provide rigorous support for arguments.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential negative impact of pop science on students' perceptions of science, with some arguing that it contributes to a culture that undervalues mathematical and scientific rigor.
  • Counterpoints are made regarding the effectiveness of pop science in attracting interest in science, with some asserting that it can be a gateway to deeper understanding if followed by more rigorous study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the reliability and utility of pop science sources, with no clear consensus reached. Some participants find value in pop science for initial engagement, while others reject it as a valid source for serious scientific discussions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of pop science may depend on the audience's prior knowledge and the context in which it is used. There are also concerns about the potential for misconceptions arising from simplified explanations in pop science articles.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the role of popular science in education, those debating the merits of different types of scientific sources, and participants in online science communities.

  • #31
Pop science is, in my humble opinion, for entertainment. In my tiny world of mathematics I have learned from professionals and taught myself, I have encountered popular accounts on some things of interest.

\begin{rant}

A few examples:
Youtube videos that tell you trisecting an arbitrary angle with compass and straight edge is possible (and their proof is just a few examples DRAWN ON THE PAPER?!) (however, it's disproved long ago)
The ever so undying sum over ##\mathbb N ## is equal to ##-\frac{1}{12} ##?!
In serious material, it is clearly stated the series representation of ##\zeta (s) ## is valid only for ##Re(s)>1##.

Then there is the famous misconception about ex falso quodlibet: from falsehood one may deduce anything. The statement ##P\implies Q ## is trivially true if ##P=0 ##, but then they go on to argue that ##Q=1 ##. NO!
In every single textbook that touches on mathematical logic, at some point a certain deduction rule modus ponens is mentioned. Explicitly: ##P, P\implies Q \models Q ##. True statements may be inferred only from true statements.

Ah but this is so boring, there is no intrigue. It's much better to create controversy with false statements and have people believe sciences are a joke.

\end{rant}
 
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  • #32
DennisN said:
How many people, including experts, amateurs and newbies, are currently members on this forum because of pop science?

I became interested in science because my mum bought me a chemistry set- there was no "pop science" in the 70s (that I was allowed to watch) Horizon a little later on.
I have been surprised at the bad press New scientist has been given but that’s one of the benefits of reading appraisals of this sort of thing on forums like this.
I am interested in physics, not a professional (scientist) and my critical thinking skills have been sharpened a little bit even in this short time posting on here.
Dr quantum (which I had never heard of) apparently is bad, I watched the double slit and did not hear anything Jim Al Kalili did not write in Quantum a guide for the perplexed so either I either I missed something, or “Pop science” has dumbed something down, just the sort of limitation or misleading information you are all talking about.
 
  • #33
Despite my trepidation, I'm going to go into this thread head on.

Let's get a few things straight here right off the bat:

  1. Pop science books, at least the ones that I have read, can be an invaluable source to the general public to give them an idea or an overview of science in a particular field or area;
  2. What is conveyed is NOT necessary what is received or understood. A source may be conveying something, but the person or audience receiving, reading, or hearing the message may actually get something different. Pop-science books, by their nature, have to explain concepts in physics often via examples or analogies. Because of this, what they are trying to convey often are misinterpreted or misread by the audience. Often times, the audience either understood something different, or missed the main point entirely. So here, the source is fine, but what is understood is faulty.
  3. There are people who somehow have the impression that these pop-science books or sources are the FINAL WORD, i.e. there aren't anything deeper or requiring further understanding. They often have this delusion that they have fully understood these concepts and are thus able to "apply" them. Example: Deepak Chopra. He bastardizes QM without understanding the physics, simply based on the WORDS he read describing various aspects of QM. Again, in this case, the source is fine, but the audience misuse and misrepresent the completeness of the source.
So no, I often do not vilify pop-science books. I vilify people who misuse them, or using them for what they are not meant to.

Zz.
 
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