Are there any materials where ions are the charge carriers instead of electrons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the existence of materials where ions serve as charge carriers instead of electrons, exploring both theoretical and practical implications. Participants inquire about the conductivity and resistance of such materials compared to conventional metals and consider scenarios involving the interaction of different types of current-carrying wires in a magnetic field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that electrolytes conduct electricity using ions, typically exhibiting lower conductivity than metals.
  • It is suggested that P-type semiconductors have positively charged 'holes' as majority charge carriers, rather than actual ions.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the theoretical possibility of solid materials where ions are the charge carriers.
  • Another participant provides examples of materials that do allow ion conduction, such as zirconium oxide membranes in lambda sensors, glass electrodes for pH measurement, and sodium beta-alumina used in batteries.
  • Questions are raised about the behavior of two wires—one carrying electron current and the other carrying ionic current—when moved through a magnetic field, specifically regarding the direction of the currents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of solid materials with ions as charge carriers, with some asserting there are none while others provide examples. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of moving the two types of wires through a magnetic field.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of charge carriers and the specific conditions under which certain materials operate, such as temperature and material composition.

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I was wondering , are there any materials , metal or others, that have ions as the charge carriers that form current instead of electrons as in most metals.?
and are the ohmic resistance in room temperature for example similar to materials were current is formed by electrons or is the resistance higher?Also if I can add , I would like to know , if I have two wires connected together , one is an oridnary wire with electrons forming current and the other wire has ions carrying current , now if i move both wires the same way through a magnetic field , would i have a single loop of current as in the current in one wire would go one way while the current in the ion wire would go the other way or would the currents both go the same way as would happen if both wires were made of ordinary copper?

thanks.
 
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Electrolytes conduct electricity using ions rather than electrons. The conductivity is typically lower than for metal.
 
Salvador said:
I was wondering , are there any materials , metal or others, that have ions as the charge carriers that form current instead of electrons as in most metals.?
and are the ohmic resistance in room temperature for example similar to materials were current is formed by electrons or is the resistance higher?


Also if I can add , I would like to know , if I have two wires connected together , one is an oridnary wire with electrons forming current and the other wire has ions carrying current , now if i move both wires the same way through a magnetic field , would i have a single loop of current as in the current in one wire would go one way while the current in the ion wire would go the other way or would the currents both go the same way as would happen if both wires were made of ordinary copper?

thanks.

Like Dale said, electrolytes conduct electricity via ions rather than electrons. In P-type semiconductors, positively charged 'holes' in the crystal lattice are the majority charge carriers rather than electrons. As far as I know, there are no solid materials where actual ions are the charge carriers. Whether or not that's even theoretically possible is kind of an interesting question, maybe someone on here will know more. You can look up the electrical characteristics of semiconductors, and as you can imagine they vary considerably depending on the material. P-types are very commonly used though, and you can find them in BJTs, FETs, etc.
 
Funestis said:
As far as I know, there are no solid materials where actual ions are the charge carriers. Whether or not that's even theoretically possible is kind of an interesting question, maybe someone on here will know more.
In fact, there are some examples: The lambda sensor in cars measures the oxygen concentration using a Zirconium oxide membrane which conducts oxygen ions at elevated temperatures. Another example are glass electrodes as used to measure the pH of solutions. There, hydrogen ions can move through the glass membrane. Another important material is sodium beta-alumina which is used in several high energy batteries. The sodium ion can move in the crystal lattice, here.
 

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