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The discussion revolves around the area of a polygon with n equal sides inscribed in a circle of radius r, specifically focusing on deriving the formula A_n=\frac{1}{2} \pi r^2 \sin{\frac{2\pi}{n}} through geometric reasoning involving triangles formed by the polygon's vertices and the circle's center.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the area of the polygon and the triangles formed by dividing it into n congruent triangles. Some question the assumption of using equilateral triangles and suggest considering isosceles triangles instead. Others propose starting with simpler shapes like hexagons to clarify the geometric relationships involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants express uncertainty about the original poster's understanding of the problem, while others provide alternative approaches. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the original formula, with some suggesting it may contain errors.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the nature of the triangles involved and the implications of the formula as n approaches infinity. There is also mention of a textbook reference that may contain a typo, which adds to the uncertainty in the discussion.

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Let A_n be the area of a polygon with n equal sides inscribed in a circle with radius r. By dividing the polygon into n congruent triangles with central angle \frac{2\pi}{n}, show that A_n=\frac 1 2 \pi r^2\sin{\frac{2\pi}{n}}.

Ok, I drew a circle with congruent triangles inscribed in it. I assumed that it was an equilateral triangle, so it has height \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}r.

So far I have

A_{triangle}=\frac 1 2 \cdot r \cdot \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}r

\sin{\frac{2\pi}{n}}=\frac{\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}r}{r}=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}

A_{triangle}=\frac 1 2 \cdot r^2\cdot \sin{\frac{2\pi}{n}}

Now I'm stuck, maybe my assumption was incorrect, and I also do not know how to incorporate the fact that it is inscribed in the circle. I know I need to take it into consideration noticing that it wants me to express the answer with the area of a circle as part of the answer. Or perhaps \pi r^2 appears through substitutions?
 
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I remember learning a variation of this years ago in high school, this is a nifty little formula

The first thing I see is that I'm not sure you even understood what you were being asked to prove

Do it with a simple shape, like a hexagon(I tried an octagon myself but couldn't draw a circle worth a darn that circumscribed it :( )

Draw the circle around it that touches every intersection on the hexagon. Now from the center of the circle, draw a line to every intersection and behold six triangles!

Note that they won't necessarily be equilateral triangles since two sides are the radius of the circle and one's a chord(I think that's the term >_>) Isosceles always though, I think

So what's the area of that triangle? The base is r, you need 1/2*base*height, the height you have to drop a perpendicular and find that, you need the sine of that angle...well you have the full circle broken into 6 things, so...

Anyways that's a better way to start
 
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1) I don't know what an equilateral triangle has to do with anything if you have n sides. 2) Your A_n approaches 0 as n approaches infinity, hence A_n is NOT the area of a polygon with n equal sides inscribed in a circle of radius r. Look, what's the area of an isosceles triangle with apex angle 2pi/n? Multiply that by n to get the total area.
 
blochwave said:
Note that they won't necessarily be equilateral triangles since two sides are the radius of the circle and one's a chord(I think that's the term >_>) Isosceles always though, I think
LOL, I assumed the chord was length r, hence the equilateral triangle. Ok, let me continue reading you and Dick's post. Must solve this!
 
Right, which is basically where I went

I googled, and as feared, his equation is wrong, I think you misread pi for n
 
blochwave said:
Right, which is basically where I went

I googled, and as feared, his equation is wrong, I think you misread pi for n
Confused pi for n? That is the final equation it wants though.

A_n=\frac 1 2 \pi r^2\sin{\frac{2\pi}{n}}

Stewart 5th edition, page 326
 
rocophysics said:
Confused pi for n? That is the final equation it wants though.

A_n=\frac 1 2 \pi r^2\sin{\frac{2\pi}{n}}

Stewart 5th edition, page 326

If that's supposed to be the area of an n sided inscribed polygon, it's wrong. There must be a typo in "Stewart 5th edition, page 326".
 
My calc 3 professor was a proofreader for math textbook solutions

I doubt he was very good >_>

Of course every time I've been so certain I'm right and the book's wrong I've been just ludicrously wrong, still it's not too surprising.
 

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