Area under sin^10 curve without integrating

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The discussion revolves around finding the normalization constant for the wavefunction \(\psi(x) = A \sin^5\left(\frac{\pi x}{a}\right)\) without performing integration. The goal is to determine the value of \(A\) such that \(A^2 \int_{0}^{a} \sin^{10}\left(\frac{\pi x}{a}\right) = 1\).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integral of \(\sin^{10}(x)\) and its relationship to the normalization constant. Some suggest there may be a linear mapping from the width of the 'half cycle' to the area under the curve. Others explore the possibility of using series expansion to derive the integral without direct computation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of methods to find the area under the curve without integrating. Some participants have provided insights into integral tables and properties of the sine function, while others have questioned the normalizability of the wavefunction based on the integral's behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the integral over the specified interval may yield unexpected results, leading to discussions about the assumptions made regarding the wavefunction's normalizability.

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Homework Statement


The actual question is asking for the normalization constant for the wavefunction
[tex]\psi\left(x\right)=A\sin^{5}\left(\dfrac{\pi x}{a}\right)[/tex]
without carrying out integration

In short they want me to find the value of A such that
[tex]A^{2}\int_{0}^{a}\sin^{10}\left(\dfrac{\pi x}{a}\right)=1[/tex]

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the integral comes out nicely to [tex]63a/256[/tex] so [tex]\sqrt{\dfrac{256}{63a}}[/tex]

I figure that there must be some linear map from the width of the 'half cycle' to the area under the graph. So we are taking [tex]\dfrac{a}{ \pi }[/tex] of the area
[tex]\int_{0}^{pi}\sin^{10}\left(x\right)[/tex]

What remains is for me to actually show that
[tex]\int_{0}^{pi}\sin^{10}\left(x\right)=\dfrac{63 \pi}{256}[/tex]

Is there some method of series expansion here I can use to show this? I think something's going to happen to take out all 2nd, 3rd, 4th... terms of the series expansion because of the [tex]2n \pi[/tex] cycles or something along those lines.

Or is there an entirely different way to find the area under the curve without integrating that I missed out? Thanks for your help!
 
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ephedyn said:

Homework Statement


The actual question is asking for the normalization constant for the wavefunction

[tex]\psi\left(x\right)=A\sin^{5}\left(\dfrac{\pi x}{a}\right)[/tex]

without carrying out integration. In short they want me to find the value of A such that

[tex]A^{2} \int_{0}^{a} \sin^{10} \left( \dfrac{ \pi x}{a} \right)=1[/tex]

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the integral comes out nicely to [tex]63a/256[/tex] so [tex]A=\sqrt{\dfrac{256}{63a}}[/tex]

I figure that there must be some linear map from the width of the 'half cycle' to the area under the graph. So we are taking [tex]\dfrac{a}{ \pi }[/tex] of the area
[tex]\int_{0}^{\pi}\sin^{10}\left(x\right)[/tex]

What remains is for me to actually show that
[tex]\int_{0}^{\pi}\sin^{10}\left(x\right)=\dfrac{63 \pi}{256}[/tex]

Is there some method of series expansion here I can use to show this? I think something's going to happen to take out all 2nd, 3rd, 4th... terms of the series expansion because of the [tex]2n \pi[/tex] cycles or something along those lines.

Or is there an entirely different way to find the area under the curve without integrating that I missed out? Thanks for your help!

Strangely the LaTeX is not showing :/ Basically I'm asking, how do I find the area under sin^10(pi*x/a) from x=0 to x=a without actually integrating?
 
Hmmm, very weird, if the interval to integrate the wavefunction is (0,a), the function is not normalizable, because the integral is 0!
 
o_O Are you sure? I used a computational solver and it agrees with the solution by hand, 63a/256.
 
Apologies, I have made a mistake; please, disregard my comment above. I don't know a method to <guess> the solution without computing the integral below

[tex]\int\limits_{0}^{1} \sin^{10}\pi x \, dx = \frac{1}{\pi} \int\limits_{0}^{\pi} \sin^{10} x \, dx[/tex]

Since the hand computation looks tedious, perhaps the author wants you to look it up in an integral table like Gradshteyn and Rytzhik.
 
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bigubau: Wow that is a GREAT book. Thanks a lot! I managed to get it... in the section on 'representation of powers of trigonometric and hyperbolic functions in terms of functions of multiples of the argument' there's a way to rewrite sin^(2n)(x) as 1/2^(2n) of {a series of 5 terms (from k=0 to 4) + 10 choose 5}. Since the terms in the series contain cos2(5-k)x, these cancel out when evaluated at 0 and pi. What remains of the definite integral is to integrate 1/2^(2n) * (10 choose 5) from 0 to pi, which gives 1/2^(2n) * (10 choose 5)pi = 63pi/256.

Nice! I owe you one ;)
 
Don't mention it. There's a trick to compute the following integral in the general case

[tex]I = \int\limits_{0}^{\pi} \sin^n x \, dx[/tex]

First, use the fact that the function is symmetric around [itex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/itex] so that

[tex]I = \int\limits_{0}^{\pi} \sin^n x \, dx = 2\int\limits_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \sin^n x \, dx = B\left(\frac{n+1}{2},\frac{1}{2}\right) = \frac{\Gamma\left(\frac{n+1}{2}\right) \Gamma\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)}{\Gamma\left(\frac{n}{2} +1\right)}[/tex]

[itex]B \, \mbox{and} \, \Gamma[/itex] are Euler's functions.

Now plug n=10 and find

[tex]I=\frac{\Gamma\left(\frac{11}{2}\right)\Gamma\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)}{\Gamma(6)} = \sqrt{\pi}\frac{\Gamma\left(\frac{1}{2} +5\right)}{5!} = \sqrt{\pi}^{2} \frac{10 \cdot 9 \cdot 8 \cdot 7 \cdot 6}{1 \cdot 2 \cdot 3 \cdot 4 \cdot 5} \cdot \frac{1}{4^5} = \pi \frac{7 \cdot 9 \cdot 4}{4^5} = \pi \frac{63}{256}[/tex]
 
^Ah, looks more elegant. I'll keep that in mind too when I find something like this again next time.
 

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