Arragnement of atoms inside a steel

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The discussion revolves around the arrangement of atoms within steel, exploring how atomic positioning relates to the type of atoms present and the implications of different steel phases. Participants consider the relationship between temperature, phase, and atomic structure, as well as the mathematical determination of atomic arrangements in various steel alloys.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the type of atom at a specific position in steel can be determined, suggesting possibilities of randomness or a periodic structure.
  • Another participant mentions their experience with austenitic stainless steel transitioning to martensitic steel at low temperatures, indicating a thermally-dependent rearrangement of atoms.
  • A participant raises the question of whether it is possible to mathematically determine atomic structure given the phase and temperature of steel.
  • There is a reference to the lattice structures of specific stainless steel alloys, with some participants noting that 304 and 316 are FCC while 440 is BCC.
  • One participant suggests referring to regular solution theory and emphasizes the importance of understanding solid structure in this context.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the arrangement of atoms in steel, with no consensus reached on whether atomic types can be determined from their positions or how this relates to temperature and phase changes.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the relationship between atomic arrangement and temperature, as well as the mathematical modeling of atomic structures, which remain unresolved.

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How are atoms inside a steel arranged?

Ussually we can get the data about the mass share of different elements of steel and the lattice type. But the lattice only tells us where an atom is situated, not the type of the atom. Can we tell anything about the type of the atom at a certain position? Is it random, with probabilities equal to the number share of each atom type? Or is it completely determined by some periodic structure. Or maybe none of those?
 
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I have used an austenitic stainless steel (non-magnetic) that changed to martensitic (magnetic) at low temperatures. This a thermally-dependent re-arrangement of atoms.
 
So steel can be found in different phases, based on the temperature. Let's say that we determine the phase and the temperature. Is it possible to determine atom structure mathematicaly then?
 
Lojzek said:
So steel can be found in different phases, based on the temperature. Let's say that we determine the phase and the temperature. Is it possible to determine atom structure mathematicaly then?
Can you determine the lattice structure of 304 or 316 alloy austenitic stainless steel? How about 440? All I know (I think) is that one is FCC (face center cubic) and the other BCC (body center cubic).
Read the paragraph on duplex stainless steels on page 32 of
http://books.google.com/books?id=Or...=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA32,M1
 
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Lojzek said:
How are atoms inside a steel arranged?

Ussually we can get the data about the mass share of different elements of steel and the lattice type. But the lattice only tells us where an atom is situated, not the type of the atom. Can we tell anything about the type of the atom at a certain position? Is it random, with probabilities equal to the number share of each atom type? Or is it completely determined by some periodic structure. Or maybe none of those?
I think you can refer to regular solution theory.
It's also helpful to understand the solid structure.
 

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