Asking for Op Amp recommendations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for operational amplifiers (op amps) suitable for various applications, particularly in automotive environments. Participants explore specific attributes desired in op amps, such as rail-to-rail capability, internal protection features, and output current specifications. The conversation includes suggestions for specific products and resources for further research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for a commonly available op amp with specific attributes, including rail-to-rail capability and internal protection for input voltages.
  • Another participant provides a link to Linear Technology's parametric search for operational amplifiers, suggesting it as a useful resource.
  • A different participant recommends checking Maxim and TI's websites for product selectors to find suitable op amps.
  • One suggestion includes the LMC6041, noted for its utility in high impedance circuits and rail-to-rail operation, although it lacks certain input protection features.
  • A participant mentions finding a Maxim product line with desired internal protections but notes limitations in output current and supply voltage.
  • Another participant discusses the need for a faster slew rate than initially thought, indicating that this requirement affects their choice of op amp.
  • One participant shares their experience ordering LM6142 op amps, highlighting challenges in finding 8-pin DIP footprints and the trade-off in internal protection features.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single "ideal" op amp, as various models and features are discussed, and individual needs differ. There are multiple competing views on the best options available.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in finding op amps that meet all desired specifications, particularly regarding internal protection features and package types. The discussion reflects the challenges of sourcing components for specific applications.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals involved in electronics design, particularly in automotive applications, or those seeking operational amplifiers with specific performance characteristics may find this discussion beneficial.

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Hi all,
I realize I'm asking for the world here, but google hasn't been very helpful. I've found a few candidates with some/most of what I need, but wondering if there is some holy grail op amp out there that everyone is using. I'm growing tired of making work-arounds for the LM324's I have laying around.

I'm looking for a commonly available op amp (or multi opamp package), 8-pin to 14-pin dip with the following attributes.

Rail-to-rail capable.
Single supply or dual supply.
Can source or sink about 20 mA.
Has internal protection for common-mode input voltage beyond supply voltages.
Has internal protection for differential input voltage beyond supply voltages.
(And the usual, internal, ESD protection.)
Output does not exhibit phase reversal when inputs are beyond supply ranges.
Preferrably robust for harsh environments and not requiring a lot of anti-ESD precautions during handling.

I don't need very high freq capability, probably audio range or even slightly less.

I just find my projects are always limited on space, hence the internal protection components would be nice. It usually ends up in automotive type environments.

One thing I haven't found, so am wondering if it even exists, is internal protection for input voltages where the protection doesn't greatly affect the input impedance. I realize this feature might be physically impossible, but in case there is some magic op amp out there, I thought I'd ask.

Thanks for any help.
 
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Thanks, that is a handy little page indeed.
 
In addition to the Linear Technology link, have a look at the Maxim website (www.maxim-ic.com) and at TI's website. They will have product selector features that will help you home in on some good candidates. Then use Digikey's website to check pricing and availablity.

BTW, I don't think you will find much beyond basic IC ESD protection in opamps. They are not usually exposed to an external human-contact environment like transceiver chips are.
 
You might look at the LMC6041 (LMC6041AIM/NOPB). It is almost an "ideal" op-amp for under $2.00. I've found them very useful for high impedance circuits and where rail-to-rail operation is desired. Check: http://www.ti.com/product/lmc6041
 
Thanks again,
I did find a Maxim product line with almost exactly the internal protections I was looking for, but unfortunately, the line is also "Micropower" which means very low output (less than 1mA). It also only handles 5v as the supply. But it makes me hopeful something is out there with this type of, what Maxim calls, "Beyond-the-rails" input operation.

The LMC6041 looks pretty good too, (albeit, without protection for inputs "beyond-the-rails"). But rail-to-rail, and 18 mA output, still makes it useful to me for other projects.
 
I thought I found it with this one, but realized I needed a faster slew rate than I first thought (for the current project). I probably need more like .5v/usec. This one is .07v/usec.
http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/14901afd.pdf
Everything else about it sounds good.
 
Well, after going through quite a few data sheets I ordered some LM6142's. Turns out, the hardest feature to get, anymore, is the 8-pin dip footprint. Making stuff at home is only going to get more difficult, apparently. But Digikey still had some 8pin dip versions in stock.

http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/snos726d/snos726d.pdf

I had to give up on some of the internal input protection features but otherwise it looks pretty good.
 

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