At what speed would one day = one year?

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The discussion centers around the concept of time dilation in the context of special relativity, specifically exploring the speed at which a spaceship must travel relative to Earth for one day to pass on the spaceship while one year passes on Earth. The conversation includes mathematical formulations and implications of different frames of reference.

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  • One participant asks for the speed at which a spaceship must travel for one day to elapse on the spaceship while one year passes on Earth.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical equation to solve for the speed, indicating a relationship between time dilation and the speed of light.
  • A participant explains the time dilation factor, gamma (γ), and derives the speed (β) as a function of γ, concluding that traveling at approximately 0.999996252c would result in the desired time dilation effect.
  • One participant confirms that traveling at the calculated speed would allow one complete day to pass for the traveler while one year passes on Earth.
  • Another participant discusses the relativity of time measurements, noting that observers in different frames (Earth vs. spaceship) would perceive time differently, emphasizing the symmetrical nature of time dilation and the Relativistic Doppler effect.
  • A participant poses a hypothetical scenario about a traveler returning to Earth after experiencing one day, questioning the implications of time elapsed on Earth.
  • In response, another participant asserts that if the traveler maintained the previously calculated speed, they would indeed return to find one year has passed on Earth.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationship between speed and time dilation, but there are differing interpretations regarding the implications of time measurements from different frames of reference. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these relativistic effects.

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The discussion involves complex mathematical relationships and assumptions about the constancy of the speed of light, as well as the effects of relativistic speeds on time perception. There are unresolved aspects regarding the practical implications of these theoretical scenarios.

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For instance at what speed would something have to be going relative to the Earth that only one day happens for this FOR but 1 years passes for the Earth?

What speed would a spaceship have to be going where it experiences one full day while 1 year on Earth has passed?

The guy on the spaceship experiences one full day but a years time has elapsed on Earth. What speed is the spaceship going?
 
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365sqrt{1-v2/9*1016}=1
solve for v
 
The time dilation factor, gamma, or γ, is a function of β, the speed as a fraction of the speed of light. The formula is:

γ = 1/√(1-β2)

What you want is the formula for β as a function of γ, so we can rearrange the equation as follows:

γ = 1/√(1-β2)
γ2 = 1/(1-β2)
1-β2 = 1/γ2
-1+β2 = -1/γ2
β2 = 1-1/γ2
β = √(1-1/γ2)

So if you take a year to be equal to 365.25 days, then γ=365.25, so we plug it in and turn the crank:

β = √(1-1/γ2)
β = √(1-1/365.252)
β = √(1-1/133407.5625)
β = √(1-0.0000074958)
β = √(0.9999925042)
β = 0.999996252

As a sanity check, we can plug this value of β into the formula for gamma and see that we get 365.25:

γ = 1/√(1-β2)
γ = 1/√(1-0.9999962522)
γ = 1/√(1-0.9999925042)
γ = 1/√(0.0000074958)
γ = 1/(0.00273785)
γ = 365.25
 
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So if someone is traveling at 0.999996252c relative to the Earth, one complete day will pass for them while one year passes for someone on Earth?
 
In a frame in which the Earth is at rest, one year will pass on the Earth, while 1 day passes on the spaceship traveling at that speed.

But, for the same scenario, in a frame in which the spaceship is at rest, one year will pass on the spaceship, while 1 day passes on Earth.

Or to put it another way, an observer on the Earth will measure the clocks on the spaceship to be ticking at 1/365.25 of the rate of a clock on Earth and an observer on the spaceship will measure the clocks on Earth ticking at 1/365.25 of the rate of a clock on the spaceship. But they will make this measurement indirectly as expressed by the Relativistic Doppler factor which is exactly symmetrical. This is the ratio of the rate that the relatively moving clock is ticking compared to their own clock and is not the same factor as gamma. The Relativistic Doppler describes what each observer actually sees and is not dependent on any frame or theory of relativity whereas time dilation is.
 
Let's say the the person who travels at .99c and experiences this one day comes back to Earth.

Does he come back to Earth and one full year has passed on Earth?
 
If he traveled at the speed we calculated earlier (much, much faster then .99c), then, yes, when he returned after experiencing a one-day trip, it would be a year later, which is a good thing because if he came back to the same place he left at some other speed, the Earth might not be there when he got back.
 

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