Atmospheric Density - Equation to Model from Sea Level to 200km

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The discussion revolves around finding an equation to model atmospheric density from sea level to approximately 200 km altitude. Participants explore various approaches, equations, and considerations related to atmospheric pressure and density, highlighting the complexity and variability of the atmosphere at higher altitudes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the lack of a simple equation for atmospheric pressure and suggests consulting a CRC handbook for values, mentioning variability at higher altitudes due to solar activity.
  • Another participant provides an equation for pressure at height "h" as P=(Patm)*e^(-Mgh/RT) and states that density D can be calculated using D=PM/RT, but emphasizes that this assumes constant temperature and is only a rough estimate.
  • A participant shares their experience with fitting an exponential curve to pressure vs. height data, reporting a significant error at 50 km and suggesting a more complex model P = P0 * exp(ah^3 + bh^2 + h) for better accuracy.
  • One participant suggests that fluid mechanics texts typically include tables for atmospheric modeling and humorously recommends using Excel to graph the data.
  • Another participant mentions the existence of multiple standards for atmospheric models, such as US and ICAO, and discusses their limitations, while providing links to additional resources and formulas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of existing models and equations for atmospheric density. There is no consensus on a single effective equation, and multiple approaches and considerations are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the models discussed, including assumptions about temperature constancy and the variability of atmospheric conditions at different altitudes. The discussion reflects the complexity of accurately modeling atmospheric density.

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Hey, does anyone have an equation that roughly models atmospheric density from sea level to about 200 km up?
 
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There's not much of an equation for atmospheric pressure that's simple. If you have a CRC handbook you could look up a few values. You should know, as well, that it's quit variable at higher altitudes, dependent on solar activity.
 
Hi ZachWeiner,
Pressure at a height "h" is given by :
P=(Patm)*e^(-Mgh/RT) [Patm is the pressure at sea level]
And D=PM/RT
But there is an assumption that T is const. this formula will only enable you to calculate the density roughly. So do not use it if you want accurate answers.
 
aniketp said:
Hi ZachWeiner,
Pressure at a height "h" is given by :
P=(Patm)*e^(-Mgh/RT) [Patm is the pressure at sea level]
And D=PM/RT
But there is an assumption that T is const. this formula will only enable you to calculate the density roughly. So do not use it if you want accurate answers.

I have no excuse for it, but in response to this question, I actually tried an exponential curve of pressure vs. height, and fit it to two points of data; sea level and 100 Km. It was off by 28% at 50 Km. Very disappointing.

To get a decent curve fit, P = P0 * exp(ah^3 + bh^2 + h) might do it.
 
what do you need to model it for? pretty much any fluid mechanics text will tell you in a table at the back.

lol.. if u really want to model it, put all the numbers into excel and graph it
 
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