Atomic Clock Running Rate: Adjustment Possibilities?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of adjusting the running rate of atomic clocks, particularly in the context of GPS satellites. Participants explore the mechanisms behind timekeeping in atomic clocks and how adjustments may be made to synchronize or alter their rates.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while the quantum properties of cesium 133 atoms cannot be changed, adjustments can be made through intermediate mechanisms that affect how atomic cycles correspond to displayed time.
  • Others argue that the adjustment of GPS clocks running slow before launch is an offset applied to the output of atomic clocks, rather than a change in atomic behavior.
  • A participant mentions that synchronization and rate adjustments are distinct, suggesting that clocks can be synchronized even if they run at different rates.
  • There is a suggestion that the adjustment involves counting a different number of atomic transitions to define a second, rather than altering the atomic transitions themselves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that adjustments can be made to the output of atomic clocks for synchronization and timekeeping purposes, but there is no consensus on the specific mechanisms or implications of these adjustments.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in understanding the exact workings of intermediate mechanisms and the nature of adjustments remain unresolved, as do the implications of synchronization versus rate adjustments.

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Pendulum clock running rates can be adjusted by changing the length of the pendulums. Likewise the running rates of mechanical and electronic crystal clocks can be changed and adjusted. Can the running rate of an atomic clock also be adjusted? It doesn’t seem like there could be any way to change the quantum properties of the cesium 133 atoms, or whatever they are using now. So when they set the GPS clocks to run about 37 μs slow before launch, is that just some offset between what the cesium atoms are really doing and what the physics package is broadcasting to the outside world?
 
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There are intermediate mechanisms between the "clock atoms" in an atomic clock, and the clock's time display. When you "set the clocks to run slow", you adjust those intermediate mechanisms.

I don't know how those intermediate mechanisms actually work, but in the end, they must include some way to adjust, in effect, the number of "atomic cycles" that correspond to one "display second".
 
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Since one second represents about 9 billion transitions of the Caesium atom, I imagine you simply count a different number of transitions per "second" to alter your timekeeping.
 
exmarine said:
Pendulum clock running rates can be adjusted by changing the length of the pendulums. Likewise the running rates of mechanical and electronic crystal clocks can be changed and adjusted. Can the running rate of an atomic clock also be adjusted? It doesn’t seem like there could be any way to change the quantum properties of the cesium 133 atoms, or whatever they are using now. So when they set the GPS clocks to run about 37 μs slow before launch, is that just some offset between what the cesium atoms are really doing and what the physics package is broadcasting to the outside world?

Which type of adjustment are you talking about? There are two. One is synchronization, that is, two clocks can be running at the same rate, but might not be synchronized. The other is the rate. You can synchronize two clocks that are running at different rates, but of course they won't stay synchronized.

In the first part of your question you talk about rate adjustment, but then at the end your question seems to refer to a synchronization adjustment.

Anyway, I don't think that anything is done before launch that can't be undone or otherwise adjusted after launch. The atomic clock just puts out a signal that oscillates with some frequency and that signal is received at antennas. What the engineer does with that signal after it's received is a matter of choice, so it can be used to tell time only if it's interpreted correctly. Note that if the transmitter is moving relative to the receiver the emitted frequency won't match the received frequency anyway! (Doppler effect). Likewise if they are at different gravitational potentials.
 
exmarine said:
when they set the GPS clocks to run about 37 μs slow before launch, is that just some offset between what the cesium atoms are really doing and what the physics package is broadcasting to the outside world?

Yes. There is a separate adjustment applied on board the satellites to the output of the atomic clocks before the time stamps that go into the emitted signals are generated.

For more information on this, and on the use of relativity in GPS in general, see the classic review article by Ashby:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.12942/lrr-2003-1
 
PeterDonis said:
Yes. There is a separate adjustment applied on board the satellites to the output of the atomic clocks before the time stamps that go into the emitted signals are generated.

For more information on this, and on the use of relativity in GPS in general, see the classic review article by Ashby:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.12942/lrr-2003-1

Note that this uses the technique of counting a different number of cycles, it doesn't change the behavior of the atoms, but you can change the number of cycles you count to output a second.
 
PeroK said:
Since one second represents about 9 billion transitions of the Caesium atom, I imagine you simply count a different number of transitions per "second" to alter your timekeeping.
An EXTREMELY precise clock that only measures in seconds lol
 

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