Atomic Structure: Why Does Energy Decrease with Orbit Number?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of atomic structure, specifically addressing why the energy required for an electron to transition between orbits decreases as the orbit number increases. Participants explore this phenomenon in the context of theoretical and conceptual understanding of atomic energy levels.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the energy required for an electron to move to a higher orbit decreases with each subsequent orbit, questioning why this is the case.
  • Another participant suggests looking up the energy-level formula for hydrogen and drawing an energy-level diagram to visualize the pattern of energy levels.
  • A different viewpoint is presented, stating that the more spread out the orbit is, the less energy is required for transitions due to increased influence from outside forces.
  • However, this last point is challenged by another participant who argues that the reasoning does not hold, as the bonding strength of orbitals should remain consistent regardless of external influences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons behind the decreasing transition energy with increasing orbit number. There is no consensus on the explanation, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the influence of external forces on electron orbits and the nature of bonding strength are not fully explored or defined, leading to potential gaps in the reasoning presented.

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Why does transition energy decrease with increase in orbit number?
I have read that an electron requires certain minimum energy of threshold frequency to move an orbit

However the energy needed decreases with increase in shell number

The transition energy is reduced with each orbit

For example

The energy to shift an electron from 1st to 2nd orbit is much greater than that required to shift it from 2nd to 3rd (which is greater than from 3rd to 4th and so on)

This is what I don't understand
(Why is it greater)
No one seems to give the right answer

Please explain
 
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Look up the energy-level formula for hydrogen, which is the simplest atom. Calculate the energy levels for n = 1, 2, 3, 4. Maybe a few more values of n. Draw an energy-level diagram to scale, using these numbers. You should be able to see the pattern very clearly.

The book shown above almost certainly has a diagram like this. You can also find many similar diagrams (and the formula) with a Google search for "hydrogen energy levels."

If you really meant to ask, "why is the energy-level formula what it is?" then the answer is "solve the time-independent Schrödinger equation (specifically the radial portion) for the hydrogen atom."
 
Thanks a billion
 
Aurelius120 said:
TL;DR Summary: Why does transition energy decrease with increase in orbit number?

I have read that an electron requires certain minimum energy of threshold frequency to move an orbit

However the energy needed decreases with increase in shell number

The transition energy is reduced with each orbit

For example

The energy to shift an electron from 1st to 2nd orbit is much greater than that required to shift it from 2nd to 3rd (which is greater than from 3rd to 4th and so on)

This is what I don't understand
(Why is it greater)
No one seems to give the right answer

Please explain
The more spread out the orbit is the more leverage or influence outside forces have on said orbit...therefore less energy is required to move from one orbit to the next larger one than was required for the prior jump.
 
OdiGeo said:
The more spread out the orbit is the more leverage or influence outside forces have on said orbit...therefore less energy is required to move from one orbit to the next larger one than was required for the prior jump.
That clearly makes no sense since the ratio of bonding strength of orbitals would be the same if the atom were the only atom in the universe.
 

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