Attractive force between a charge q and neutral conducting sphere

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The discussion revolves around the attractive force between a charge and a neutral conducting sphere, focusing on the potential and induced charges involved in the scenario. The subject area includes electrostatics and the application of Gauss' law.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of induced charge on the sphere and potential due to image charges. Questions arise regarding the application of Gauss' law and the implications of constant potential on the spherical surface.

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Some participants have offered guidance on using Gauss' law to simplify the problem, while others are clarifying the relationship between induced charge and image charges. There is an acknowledgment of the need to apply Gauss' theorem in both the given and image problems.

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There is a mention of the neutral sphere's properties and the assumption that the total induced charge equals the sum of the image charges. The discussion also touches on the uniqueness theorem related to electric fields.

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On the spherical surface, the potential due to q'' at center is going to be constant.
q''= V0 R\kLet's say that the potential of the neutral conducting sphere is V0.

Now, to calculate the force of attraction, I have to calculate potential due to both the image charges and the original charge in the region outside the sphere.
For this I have to calculate q''. q'' is opposite to the charges induced on the sphere due to q.
To calculate this induced charge, I have to differentiate V given in eqn. 3.17 wrt r, which will give the surface charge density (integrating which over the spherical surface will give the induced charge).
Is there any other easier way to calculate this induced charge?

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Your answer for q'' looks correct for making the sphere have a potential V0.

You can use Gauss' law to relate the net induced charge on the sphere to the values of the image charges q' and q''. This is much easier than working with the derivative of V(r). But for the case of a neutral sphere, you already know the value of the net induced charge.

For finding the force, it might be easier to work with the Coulomb forces of the charges q, q', and q'' rather than working with V(r).
 
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What we know here is potential on the spherical surface is constant.

For applying Gauss’ theorem, if I take this spherical surface as the Gaussian surface, then what I know is the electric field on this surface is in radial direction.

But this doesn’t make the flux 0. And hence I can’t take the enclosed charge to be zero. So, how does the Gauss’ theorem help here?
 
Gauss' law is useful in showing that the total induced charge on the surface of the sphere is the same as the sum of the image charges q' and q''.

Thus, for the neutral sphere, you must have q'' = - q', as you stated.

Of course, this doesn't tell you how the induced surface charge density σ varies over the surface of the neutral sphere. But to answer the question about the force of attraction between Q and the sphere, you don't need σ (or V0 ). You can just work with the point charges Q, q', and q''.
 
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O.K. Now I understood.
I have to apply Gauss' theorem in both problems.
Given problem,
##\int_S \vec E_{con} ⋅d \vec a = \frac {Q_{en} =0} {ε_0} =0##
Image problem
##\int_S \vec E_{img} ⋅d \vec a = \frac {Q_{en} =q' +q"} {ε_0} ##

Now, uniqueness theorem says that
## \vec E_{con} = \vec E_{img}
##
Hence, ## q' +q" =0##
 
Yes. I think that's a good argument.
 
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