Atwood's Machine Simulation: Determining Height with Given Masses

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The discussion revolves around an Atwood's machine problem where two masses are initially at the same height. After the larger mass falls and hits the floor, the smaller mass continues to rise. Participants are trying to determine how much higher the smaller mass ascends after the larger mass has landed, given specific values for height and mass.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to calculate the velocity of the larger mass at the moment it hits the floor and how this velocity affects the smaller mass. There is an exploration of kinetic and potential energy relationships, as well as the dynamics of the system after the larger mass has landed.

Discussion Status

Some participants have shared their reasoning and calculations, while others express confusion about specific steps, such as finding the velocity of the larger mass. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas and clarifications without a clear consensus on the approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes the absence of a visual aid, which may impact understanding. Additionally, there is mention of potential errors due to fatigue, indicating that participants are working under constraints that may affect their reasoning.

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help! atwood machine

The two masses in the Atwood's machine shown in the figure below are initially at rest at the same height. After they are released, the large mass, m2, falls through a height h and hits the floor, and the small mass, m1, rises through a height h.

In this Atwood's machine, the mass m2 remains at rest once it hits the floor, but the mass m1 continues moving upward. How much higher does m1 go after m2 has landed? Give your answer for the case h = 5.8 m, m1 = 3.7 kg, and m2 = 3.9 kg.


http://phga.pearsoncmg.com/phga2/modules/unproctoredTest.Print

(the answer is not 5.8 or 0 meters)
 
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Basically the masses accelerate and when m2 stops, m1 is still traveling with some velocity (speed). One has to determine that speed, which then starts decreasing under the force of gravity on m1 only.

These notes might help.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/atwd.html
 
got it thanks

oops...my mistake (probably from lack of sleep or carelessness)

basically i forgot to find the velocity of the large mass and that velocity is also for the small mass. so the small mass has kinetic energy until it is over come by gravity at which point (the instant its velocity is 0) it has a potential energy of (v=mgh). after which if freefalls until the string pulls it tight and it stops so basically.....

Ke=-u
(1/2)m(v^2)=(-)mgh
solve for h as the height of the short freefall and the answer is

tada-------------->0.15m

geez i feel like an idiot...haha but i got it :smile::bugeye:
 
I am working on the same problem, but I am still confused. How did you find the velocity?
 

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