How to Solve for missing mass in a Atwood's Machine?

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The problem involves an Atwood's Machine and a bullet fired from a cliff, with the goal of determining the unknown mass needed for the bullet and a monkey to meet. The scenario includes specific distances and a known mass of the monkey.

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  • Participants discuss the initial conditions of the problem, including the direction of the bullet and the state of the Atwood's machine. There are attempts to calculate time, acceleration, and mass, with some expressing confusion over the results obtained.

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Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the problem setup and have raised questions about the feasibility of the calculated values. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, and participants are questioning the assumptions made in the problem.

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Participants note potential inconsistencies in the problem's parameters, such as the distances involved and the resulting accelerations, which may not align with realistic expectations. There is also mention of a drawing that may provide additional context for the problem.

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Homework Statement


A gun is fired from a 200 meter cliff 200 meters away from an Atwood's Machine that is also suspended 200 meters in the air with a monkey of 20kg on the ground and a second unknown mass pulling the first mass up. Find the mass of the unknown needed for the bullet and the monkey to meet.

Homework Equations


a/2 * t = h - deltaY
T= 2*9.8/m2+20

I have no clue what else. I basically wrote everything that pertains to an atwood's machine

The Attempt at a Solution


I first found the time at which the bullet would travel the 200 meters, which is 4/15 seconds. I then tried to solve the acceleration. I get to a= 9.8(m2-20/m2+20). I don't know where to go from here. I have a T formula with m2 but the a I just got wouldn't help me plug into that. Help?
 
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Hello. Did you state all of the information that was given? For example, do you know the direction that the bullet was fired? Does the Atwood's machine start from rest at the moment the bullet is fired?
 
TSny said:
Hello. Did you state all of the information that was given? For example, do you know the direction that the bullet was fired? Does the Atwood's machine start from rest at the moment the bullet is fired?
The gun is fired along horizontally along the x axis. The Atwood machine has a constant acceleration. I'm working of a drawing of a problem that was in class today. It has all the information needed to solve:http://imgur.com/y7D08C4
I have done everything possible for Atwood machines but I keep getting an acceleration in the 1000s m/s^2.
 
Not a Wrench said:
The gun is fired along horizontally along the x axis.
So where exactly will the bullet be after 4/15s?
 
haruspex said:
So where exactly will the bullet be after 4/15s?
It will hit the monkey at 199.65 meters vertically. So the monkey needs to travel 199.65 meters in 4/15 seconds. When I plug into the (a/2)4/15=199.65 I get an acceleration of 1118.05 m/s^2 which seems wrong. Then plugging into the a=g*(m2-m1/m2+m1) equation I get a mass of -20.3537 for the other box?! I have no clue what I am doing wrong here.
 
Not a Wrench said:
It will hit the monkey at 199.65 meters vertically. So the monkey needs to travel 199.65 meters in 4/15 seconds. When I plug into the (a/2)4/15=199.65 I get an acceleration of 1118.05 m/s^2 which seems wrong. Then plugging into the a=g*(m2-m1/m2+m1) equation I get a mass of -20.3537 for the other box?! I have no clue what I am doing wrong here.
Hmmm.. the numbers in the question don't make any sense. There is no way the monkey could be raised far enough in the time.
The 750m/s is rather fast, but not crazily so. (About 2 to 6 times common values.) You'd have to slow it to about 45m/s to make it feasible.
Alternatively, is the 200m range wrong? It would work if that should be at least 3400m.

Please check very carefully that you have related the problem correctly.
 
Write out the standard equation for s in terms of a & t and compare that to your numerical equation you used to get your a value.
 

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