Autocorrelation and Spectral Density

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the auto-correlation function and spectral density function for a constant power signal, specifically x(t) = c. Participants explore the mathematical derivations involved, the properties of the Dirac delta function, and the implications of different conventions in Fourier transforms.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the auto-correlation function and spectral density function, questioning the correctness of their understanding and the derivation of the Dirac delta function from their calculations.
  • Another participant references a known result about the Dirac delta function, noting the lack of a proof at hand but acknowledging its established nature.
  • Concerns are raised about the sign of the exponential in the definition of the Dirac delta function, leading to a discussion on whether Dirac(-x) is equivalent to Dirac(x).
  • A participant points out a potential dimensional inconsistency in the results, suggesting that the spectral density function should have different dimensions than stated.
  • One participant challenges the original answer for the spectral density function, proposing that it should be S = c²δ(ω) instead of S = c²δ(t), and discusses the Wiener-Khintchine relation as a means to derive this result.
  • There is a clarification regarding the correct variable for the Dirac delta function in the context of spectral density, with some participants acknowledging the need to differentiate between δ(t) and δ(ω).
  • Discussion includes the conventions used in Fourier transforms, with participants noting variations in the placement of factors like 1/2π in different contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct form of the spectral density function and the implications of dimensional analysis. There is no consensus on the derivation of the Dirac delta function or the conventions used in Fourier transforms, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in their derivations, including assumptions about the properties of the Dirac delta function and the implications of different mathematical conventions. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved questions regarding the calculations and interpretations presented.

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Homework Statement



For a constant power signal x(t) = c, determine the auto correlation function and the spectral density function.

Homework Equations


The auto correlation function is:

$$R_x (\tau) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} E(x(t) \cdot x(t+\tau)) d\tau$$

To my understanding, here to find the expected value of the signal we must also multiply the function x(t)x(t+tau) by the probability function which is taken to be 1/period. Then, we change the integral limits to one period and get:

$$R_x (\tau) = \int_{-T/2}^{T/2} E(x(t) \cdot x(t+\tau)) \cdot \frac{1}{T} d\tau$$

Is my understanding of the auto-correlational function correct?

For the spectral density function :

$$S_x (\omega) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} R_x(\tau) \cdot e^{-i\omega \tau} \cdot \frac{1}{2\pi}d\tau$$

Here, we don't change the integral limits and consider all the possible values of tau.

The Attempt at a Solution


The auto-correlation is:

$$R_x (\tau) = \int_{-T/2}^{T/2} E(x(t) \cdot x(t+\tau)) \cdot \frac{1}{T} d\tau$$
$$R_x(\tau) = \int_{-T/2}^{T/2} c^2 \cdot \frac{1}{T} d\tau$$
$$R_x(\tau)=c^2$$

The spectral density is then:
$$S_x (\omega) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} R_x(\tau) \cdot e^{-i\omega \tau} \cdot \frac{1}{2\pi}d\tau$$
$$S_x (\omega) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} c^2 \cdot e^{-i\omega \tau} \cdot \frac{1}{2\pi}d\tau$$
$$S_x (\omega) = \frac{-c^2}{2\pi \cdot i \omega} \times (e^{-i \omega \tau})|_{-\infty}^{\infty}$$

$$S_x (\omega) = \frac{-c^2}{2\pi \cdot i \omega} \times (0 - \infty)=?$$

However, my lecture notes suggest that the answer is :
$$S_x(\omega) = c^2 \cdot \delta(t)$$How did they get to here? How is the Dirac function obtained from evaluating the integral? Moreover, what happened to the other constants such as 2pi, i and omega from my original solution? If someone can shed some light on this mystery I would really appreciate it.
 
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## \delta(x)=\frac{1}{2 \pi} \int\limits_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{i kx} dk ##. This is a very well-known result. At the moment, I don't have a proof on my fingertips, but this is a very well-known result.
 
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Charles Link said:
## \delta(x)=\frac{1}{2 \pi} \int\limits_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{i kx} dk ##. This is a very well-known result. At the moment, I don't have a proof on my fingertips, but this is a very well-known result.

I found it on WikiPedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function but with no derivation. I had originally read the Wiki, but I guess I did not read it well the first time.
 
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I noticed that in the definition, the exponential is positive. However, in my problem the exponential is negative.

Can I then say that:

Dirac (-x) is the solution to my original problem?

But really, the negative is not necessary because the function is defined at x=0 and will approach infinity.

So, Dirac (-x) = Dirac (x) ?
 
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CivilSigma said:

Homework Statement



For a constant power signal x(t) = c, determine the auto correlation function and the spectral density function.

Homework Equations

Something funny here.
R has the dimensions of c2
So S has the dimensions of c2T
But the dimension of δ(t) is T-1.
 
First off, the answer for S is not as stated by the author. It should probably have read S = c2δ(ω). But that's still not exactly what I got.

You can derive this by using the fact (Wiener-Khintchine relation) that S is the Fourier integral of R, which you have already attempted.

The Fourier transform of c2 would be 2πc2δ(ω). So that's not the same as the answer either.
 
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@rude man Thanks for pointing that out, that it should be ## \delta(\omega) ## rather than ## \delta(t) ##. I looked at it very quickly.
 
Charles Link said:
@rude man Thanks for pointing that out, that it should be ## \delta(\omega) ## rather than ## \delta(t) ##. I looked at it very quickly.
OK but I still didn't get their answer. Did you try it? BTW if anyone asked me to derive the Fourier transform of e-jω0(t-τ) I would just tell them what it is & they can convince themselves that the inverse transform of that is indeed e-jω0(t-τ)! :smile:
 
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OK but I still didn't get their answer. Did you try it? BTW if anyone asked me to derive the Fourier transform of e-jω0(t-τ) I would just tell them what it is & they can convince themselves that the inverse transform of that is indeed e-jω0(t-τ)! :smile:
There are different conventions used in Fourier transforms for when the ## \frac{1}{2 \pi} ## is inserted. I normally insert this factor when doing the inverse transform, but here they inserted it when doing the primary transform. Some authors choose to make this symmetric and use ## \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} ## in both cases.
 

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