Automatic rail system vfd type vs torque

In summary: MondayIn summary, the conversation discusses a problem with an automatic rail system used to transport cows, with the main issue being starting torque and rusting from washdowns. The current system runs well when fully loaded, but experiences nuisance over amps on startup torque. The conversation then explores different drive types and the potential solutions, such as using a flux control or sensorless vector drive for better torque control. It is mentioned that a drives company will be coming in for a trial run with different motor types and VFD's to address the issue. The conversation also mentions the limitations of using automatic oilers in the food industry, which requires manual lubrication of the rail chain on weekends. Suggestions are made to either get bigger motors/drives or slow
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Working on a problem with an automatic rail system used to transport cows. This rail system carries a substantail amount of weight so starting torque is the issue coupled with washdown ( rust) issues. The system runs well normally even fully loaded. However has nuisance over amps
on startup torque.

The vfd is a standard volts vs hertz drive with line reactors.
I'm wondering which drive type would have better torque control
Voltz vs hertz drives have poor torque below 50% compated to a flux control drive or senserless vector drive.
Can't recall offhand the fourth drive type.
This drive system has numerous start stop cycles so smoother torque control would definitely help

edit: slower ramp up was already considered and the ramp speed is as slow as production speed allows
 
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We founds a drives company that is going to try different motor types and VFD's on trial runs to deal with this issue.
 
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However has nuisance over amps on startup torque.

I could be wrong. This seems like the key to your problem. The system was improperly sized because it did not account for the environmentally-induced torque penalty. Quickest solution: get bigger motors / drives. But verify the extra low-range torque does not do any mechanical damage to the driving elements.

Or...slow it all down to reduce peak torque demands.
 
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Yeah that's why we have AB coming down with their specialists to trial run drives and motors. The trial run will be a 1 week duration. If that doesn't work they will look into stepping up the motor.
One of the hassles is due to food industry we cannot use automatic oilers so the rail chain has to be manually lubricated on the weekend then wiped off
 
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I would recommend considering a sensorless vector drive for your automatic rail system. Sensorless vector drives have better torque control compared to volts vs hertz drives, especially at lower speeds. This would help with your issue of nuisance over amps on startup torque. Additionally, sensorless vector drives also have the ability to adjust torque based on load, which could be beneficial for a rail system carrying a substantial amount of weight. Another option to consider is a flux control drive, which also has better torque control compared to volts vs hertz drives. It is important to carefully consider the specific needs and requirements of your system before selecting a drive type.
 

1. What is an automatic rail system VFD type?

An automatic rail system VFD (variable frequency drive) type refers to a type of motor controller that is used to regulate the speed and torque of an electric motor in an automatic rail system. It allows for precise control of the motor's speed and torque, which is important for maintaining safe and efficient operation of the rail system.

2. What is the difference between VFD type and torque control?

VFD type control refers to using a variable frequency drive to regulate the speed and torque of a motor, while torque control refers to directly controlling the amount of torque produced by the motor. VFD type control offers more flexibility and precision in controlling the motor's speed and torque, while torque control is typically used for more specific applications such as heavy-duty operations.

3. How does an automatic rail system VFD type work?

An automatic rail system VFD type works by receiving input signals from sensors that detect the speed and position of the train. The VFD then adjusts the frequency and voltage of the motor to regulate its speed and torque, based on the input signals. This allows for smooth and efficient operation of the rail system.

4. What are the advantages of using an automatic rail system VFD type?

There are several advantages to using an automatic rail system VFD type, including precise control over motor speed and torque, reduced energy consumption, improved safety and reliability, and reduced wear and tear on the motor and other components of the rail system.

5. Are there any disadvantages to using an automatic rail system VFD type?

While there are many benefits to using an automatic rail system VFD type, there are also some potential disadvantages. These may include higher initial costs, the need for regular maintenance and calibration, and the potential for electrical interference with other systems. However, these can be mitigated with proper installation and maintenance procedures.

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