Autonomous Systems and Stability

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The discussion revolves around a system of differential equations given by dx/dt=x-xy and dy/dt=y+2xy. Participants are exploring how to find critical points and assess their stability, with an emphasis on understanding the nature of these points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss finding critical points by setting the equations to zero and express confusion regarding the stability of these points. There are attempts to solve the system through various methods, including separating variables and considering linearization.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested examining eigenvalues of the linearized system at critical points, while others have pointed out potential errors in identifying equilibrium points. There is an ongoing exploration of whether the system can be solved directly or if stability can be assessed through linearization without solving the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the lack of knowledge regarding integrating factors and the current focus on separable equations. There is also mention of the challenges posed by non-linear systems and the implications for determining stability.

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I have a problem regarding the equations dx/dt=x-xy and dy/dt=y+2xy. I need to find the critical points of this system and denote if they are stable or asymptotic or whatever. I flipped through the section on this and you can find the critical points by setting dx/dt and dy/dt to zero and solving for x and y. This gives (0,0) and (1,-1/2). But you still don't know what their nature is, so I tried to solve the system. I did this by dividing one by the other and getting dy/dx=y+2xy/x-xy. However I am stuck trying to solve this problem. I can't find a integrating factor for this in terms or either x or y (we haven't learned anything beyond that) in order to make it exact. How else can I solve this? I gather I can turn this into a matrix and solve it somehow by I am not sure.
 
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I have a problem regarding the equations dx/dt=x-xy and dy/dt=y+2xy. I need to find the critical points of this system and denote if they are stable or asymptotic or whatever. I flipped through the section on this and you can find the critical points by setting dx/dt and dy/dt to zero and solving for x and y. This gives (0,0) and (1,-1/2). But you still don't know what their nature is, so I tried to solve the system. I did this by dividing one by the other and getting dy/dx=y+2xy/x-xy. However I am stuck trying to solve this problem. I can't find a integrating factor for this in terms or either x or y (we haven't learned anything beyond that) in order to make it exact. How else can I solve this? I gather I can turn this into a matrix and solve it somehow by I am not sure.

Did you try looking at the eigenvalues of the linearized system at the critical points?
 
I can't find a integrating factor for this in terms or either x or y
Did you notice it's separable? (Oh, and you really should be using parentheses where appropriate. 1+2/2+3 is 5, not 3/5)

But as LeBrad suggests, you should be able to figure out the answer without solving the equation. I suggest you do that first, and then solve to check your answer!
 
Recheck your equilibrium points! x= 1, y= -1/2 do NOT make dx/dt and dy/dt 0.
As Hurkyl and LeBrad suggested, you don't need to solve the system to determine if it is stable. In fact, that's the whole point! Most non-linear systems can't be solved that easily. The stability can be determined by looking at the "linearized" system at each equilibrium point. (That's what LeBrad was talking about: non-linear systems don't have eigen-values.)
 
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I been busy the last few days and haven't had a chance to take a look at these forums. How do I find the linearized system? I took another look at the equation and realized it is indeed separable!
 

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