Average acceleration of impact of ball.

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The discussion revolves around the average acceleration of a ball during its impact with a concrete floor, specifically analyzing the collision dynamics and subsequent rebound. The subject area includes concepts from kinematics and dynamics, focusing on acceleration and motion under constant acceleration conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate average acceleration using the change in velocity over time but expresses confusion about the correctness of their approach. They also seek guidance on determining maximum deformation of the ball during the collision.
  • Participants discuss the use of the SUVAT equations and question the implications of constant acceleration in the context of the problem.
  • Some participants inquire about the relevance of specific equations and the assumptions underlying the problem setup.

Discussion Status

There appears to be some productive dialogue regarding the calculation of average acceleration, with one participant confirming the original poster's calculation. However, there is ongoing uncertainty about how to approach part b) of the problem, with participants exploring relevant equations and questioning the consistency of the information provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential inconsistencies in the information given, particularly regarding the assumption of constant acceleration and its implications for the rebound behavior of the ball.

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A ball travels vertically downwards until it hits a concrete floor with speed 16.1-m/s. It then bounces vertically upwards at 3.4-m/s. Examination of a high speed video shows that the collision took 1.1-ms. Considering just the collision, what is the magnitude of the average acceleration?

b)
For some balls, the acceleration of the center of the ball, in a collision like this, is fairly constant. So, assuming constant acceleration, what is the maximum deformation of the ball? (i.e. what is the maximum distance that the center of the ball travels downwards?)

I believe this should be delta V/time, however the answer comes out wrong.
I have 3 attempts at the question and each wrong answer 33.3% of the mark is lost so I'm scared to attempt the question again without being certain.

There is also part b) which I have 0 idea how to even start.

So what I have done is:

(3.4+16.1)/0.0011 = 19500 (edit: divided by 0.001, should be 17727.273. Is this correct?)

0.0011 for time as it was given in milliseconds

As for direction it asks for magnitude so it should be irrelevant

I also found this thread and it seems like I'm doing it right so I'm really confused.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...e-acceleration-during-point-of-impact.797568/

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,
Danny

 
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Assuming the answer is supposed to be in m/s2, your answer looks right to me. Don't quote an unjustifiable number of significant digits.
 
Thanks, yeh was correct .

Any ideas on part b? Have 0 idea where to even start.
 
danny20051 said:
Thanks, yeh was correct .

Any ideas on part b? Have 0 idea where to even start.
What equations do you know related to constant acceleration in one dimension? SUVAT?
 
s = ut + ½ at^2

Am i meant to use this equation?
If so why? I don't quite understand the question.
 
danny20051 said:
s = ut + ½ at^2

Am i meant to use this equation?
If so why? I don't quite understand the question.
That is one of five standard SUVAT equations. There are five variables, s, u, v, a, t, each equation involves four of them. You need to pick the equation which involves the three whose value you know and the one which you are trying to find.
A complication here is that they have given you inconsistent information! If the acceleration were truly constant through the whole process then it would rebound with the same speed. (Alternatively, it would lose contact with the ground before reaching the height at which it originally made contact, because the balls is still deformed and not exapnding fast enough.)
You could just consider the downward movement. You know the initial speed, the final speed and the time.
 

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