Average momentum of an avalanche

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average momentum of an avalanche, specifically focusing on a scenario involving a layer of snow with given dimensions and density. Participants are attempting to understand the concept of average momentum in this context and how to apply relevant equations correctly.

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  • Participants are exploring how to define average momentum for an avalanche, with some suggesting it could be expressed as the product of mass and average velocity. There are discussions about the importance of including units in calculations to validate results.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of initial calculations and definitions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of using units to avoid confusion, and there is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the definition of average momentum.

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There is a mention of a textbook answer that differs from the calculations presented, leading to uncertainty about the understanding of average momentum. Participants are also considering the implications of using incorrect units in their calculations.

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Homework Statement
What is the average momentum of an avalanche that moves a 40-cm-thick layer of snow over an area of 100 m by 500 m over a distance of 1 km down a hill in 5.5 s? Assume a density of 350 kg/ m^3 for the snow.
Relevant Equations
##\rho## = mv
##m_s## = mass of snow
##V_s## = volume of snow
##\vec{v}## = velocity of snow
D = density of snow

##\rho_{avg} = \frac{\rho}{V_s}##
##=\frac{m_s \vec{v}}{V_s}##
##=\frac{V_s D \vec{v}}{V_s}##
##=D \vec{v}##
##=350 \frac{1,000}{5.5}##
##=63,636.4##
The textbook's answer is ##1.3 \times 10^9##. I guess I must not be understanding what's meant by "average momentum" since my answer is wrong. Any help is appreciated.
 
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I_Try_Math said:
Homework Statement: What is the average momentum of an avalanche that moves a 40-cm-thick layer of snow over an area of 100 m by 500 m over a distance of 1 km down a hill in 5.5 s? Assume a density of 350 kg/ m^3 for the snow.
Relevant Equations: ##\rho## = mv

##m_s## = mass of snow
##V_s## = volume of snow
##\vec{v}## = velocity of snow
D = density of snow

##\rho_{avg} = \frac{\rho}{V_s}##
##=\frac{m_s \vec{v}}{V_s}##
##=\frac{V_s D \vec{v}}{V_s}##
##=D \vec{v}##
##=350 \frac{1,000}{5.5}##
##=63,636.4##
The textbook's answer is ##1.3 \times 10^9##. I guess I must not be understanding what's meant by "average momentum" since my answer is wrong. Any help is appreciated.
That calculation doesn't make a lot of sense. First things first: How would you define average momentum for an avalanche?
 
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How do you know that your answer is wrong? You quote numbers without units so both you and the texbook can be correct in principle. Had you used units, you would have seen that momentum over volume, your starting equation, does not have units of momentum because it is divided by volume.
 
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PeroK said:
That calculation doesn't make a lot of sense. First things first: How would you define average momentum for an avalanche?
I suppose you could define it as ##mv_{avg}##?
 
That would work.
 
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kuruman said:
How do you know that your answer is wrong? You quote numbers without units so both you and the texbook can be correct in principle. Had you used units, you would have seen that momentum over volume, your starting equation, does not have units of momentum because it is divided by volume.
Right I will keep that in mind. Found out my original answer has units ##\frac{kg}{m^2s}##. Obviously incorrect. I worked through it and got the correct answer.
 
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