Average value for the squared momentum in the harmonic oscillator

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The discussion focuses on calculating the average value of the squared momentum, \(\overline{p_{z}²}\), for a harmonic oscillator in cylindrical coordinates, as presented in Pauling's "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics." The wave function is given by \(\Psi_{n',m,n_{z}}(\rho,\varphi,z)\), which includes terms like the Hermite polynomial \(H_{nz}\) and constants \(\alpha\) and \(\alpha_{z}\). Participants emphasize using recurrence relations of Hermite polynomials and their orthogonality to simplify the integrals involved in the calculation. The expectation that the average values for position and momentum vanish is confirmed as physically reasonable.

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Hi,

I'm trying to resolve a problem (17-2) of Pauling's book (Introduction to Quantum Mechanics ), but I'm not achieving this integration. So, I ask for your help. The problem says:

Calculate \overline{p_{z}²} (where p_{z} = momentum in z direction and \overline{x} = average value of x for example) for a harmonic oscillator (in cylindrical coordinates) in a state ( n',m,n_{z} ) represented by:

\Psi_{n',m,n_{z}}(\rho,\varphi,z) = N e^{im\varphi} e^{-\alpha\rho²/2 } F_{|m|,n'}(\sqrt{\alpha} \rho) e^{-\alpha_{z}z²/2} H_{nz} (\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z)​

where:
N = const

\alpha = cost = 4\pi²*mass/h² * (freq_{0})

\alphaz = cost = 4\pi²*mass/h * (freq_{z})

H_{nz} = zn Hermite polynomial

F(k) = finite polynomial in k^{|m|} I think this polynomial don't have larger influence in the result.



Thenks in advance.
See you soon,

Davis​
 
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Well. I've gotten one sum of three integrals. Say:
1º \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} A e^{\alpha_{z}z²} H_{n_{z}}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) H_{n_{z}}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z)(\alpha_{z}-\alpha_{z}²z²) dz

2º \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} -4n_{z}\alpha_{z}A e^{\alpha_{z}z²} z H_{n_{z}}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) H_{n-1}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) dz

3º \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} 2n_{z}(n_{z}-1) e^{\alpha_{z}z²} H_{n_{z}}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) H_{n_{z}-2}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) dz


In fact, I would like to know if I got this rightly and how can I resolve that.
 
Use the recurrence relations the Hermite polynomials satisfy to eliminate the factors of z, and then use the orthogonality of the polynomials to evaluate the integrals.
 
In this case, is it normal the average value for x and for p vanish?
 
What do you think? Is that what you'd expect physically?
 

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