Average value for the squared momentum in the harmonic oscillator

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average value of the squared momentum for a harmonic oscillator in quantum mechanics, specifically in cylindrical coordinates. The original poster references a problem from Pauling's book and presents a wave function for a specific quantum state.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster describes their attempts to evaluate integrals related to the momentum squared, presenting three specific integrals they have derived. They seek confirmation on their progress and guidance on how to proceed with the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using recurrence relations of Hermite polynomials and their orthogonality to assist in evaluating the integrals. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of average values for position and momentum in this context.

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Participants are discussing the physical expectations regarding the average values of position and momentum, questioning whether they should vanish in this scenario. The original poster's integration attempts suggest a complex setup that may require further clarification of assumptions.

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Hi,

I'm trying to resolve a problem (17-2) of Pauling's book (Introduction to Quantum Mechanics ), but I'm not achieving this integration. So, I ask for your help. The problem says:

Calculate \overline{p_{z}²} (where p_{z} = momentum in z direction and \overline{x} = average value of x for example) for a harmonic oscillator (in cylindrical coordinates) in a state ( n',m,n_{z} ) represented by:

\Psi_{n',m,n_{z}}(\rho,\varphi,z) = N e^{im\varphi} e^{-\alpha\rho²/2 } F_{|m|,n'}(\sqrt{\alpha} \rho) e^{-\alpha_{z}z²/2} H_{nz} (\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z)​

where:
N = const

\alpha = cost = 4\pi²*mass/h² * (freq_{0})

\alphaz = cost = 4\pi²*mass/h * (freq_{z})

H_{nz} = zn Hermite polynomial

F(k) = finite polynomial in k^{|m|} I think this polynomial don't have larger influence in the result.



Thenks in advance.
See you soon,

Davis​
 
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Well. I've gotten one sum of three integrals. Say:
1º \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} A e^{\alpha_{z}z²} H_{n_{z}}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) H_{n_{z}}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z)(\alpha_{z}-\alpha_{z}²z²) dz

2º \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} -4n_{z}\alpha_{z}A e^{\alpha_{z}z²} z H_{n_{z}}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) H_{n-1}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) dz

3º \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} 2n_{z}(n_{z}-1) e^{\alpha_{z}z²} H_{n_{z}}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) H_{n_{z}-2}(\sqrt{\alpha_{z}} z) dz


In fact, I would like to know if I got this rightly and how can I resolve that.
 
Use the recurrence relations the Hermite polynomials satisfy to eliminate the factors of z, and then use the orthogonality of the polynomials to evaluate the integrals.
 
In this case, is it normal the average value for x and for p vanish?
 
What do you think? Is that what you'd expect physically?
 

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