Average Velocity and Final Instantaneous Velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between average velocity and final instantaneous velocity for a body moving in a curved path at constant speed. Participants explore concepts related to circular motion, average velocity, and instantaneous velocity, including definitions and implications in different scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the average velocity over a specific time period equals the final instantaneous velocity at the end of that period.
  • Another participant argues that in circular motion, after one full rotation, the average velocity is zero since the body returns to its original position, while the instantaneous velocity is not zero.
  • A further contribution clarifies that in circular motion at constant speed, the average velocity is zero after one revolution, but the instantaneous velocity is clearly not zero.
  • One participant suggests that during circular motion, the instantaneous velocity will equal the constant speed at certain instances, as the magnitude of the displacement vector equals the distance at those moments.
  • Another participant reiterates that the magnitude of instantaneous velocity will equal the constant speed, noting that this is somewhat tautological since speed is defined as the magnitude of velocity.
  • One participant points out that in a curved path, while the magnitude of instantaneous velocity remains constant, its direction changes continuously, and discusses the definition of average velocity as displacement divided by time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between average and instantaneous velocities, particularly in the context of circular motion. There is no consensus on whether average velocity can equal instantaneous velocity under the discussed conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining average and instantaneous velocities, particularly in curved paths, and the potential confusion arising from terminology such as "average" versus "mean" velocity.

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Suppose a body moving in a curved path at a constant speed would its average velocity for a specific time period equal its final instantaneous velocity at the end of this period ?
 
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No.

Consider a circular motion after one full rotation. The average velocity is zero (you returned to the original position!).
 
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To expand on what Orodruin said: Consider a mass moving in a circle at a constant speed. After one revolution it will have returned to the point it started. So its average velocity is zero. But its instantaneous velocity is clearly not zero.
 
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Thank you for replying
So if we consider a circular path, I suppose that the instantaneous velocity will equal the constant speed since the magnitude of the displacement vector will equal the distance at some instance during the period ?
 
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So if we consider a circular path, I suppose that the instantaneous velocity will equal the constant speed since the magnitude of the displacement vector will equal the distance at some instance during the period ?

To be precise, the magnitude of the instantaneous velocity will equal the constant speed.
That's a bit of a tautology though, because speed is defined to be the magnitude of the velocity.
 
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Ibraheem said:
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So if we consider a circular path, I suppose that the instantaneous velocity will equal the constant speed since the magnitude of the displacement vector will equal the distance at some instance during the period ?
If the path is curved then v(instantaneous) is changing all the time. Its magnitude is constant (same value as its unvarying speed) and direction is what is changing.
"Average" Velocity (which should be called Mean Velocity because there are a number of other values of a varying quantity that can also be called 'Average') will be displacement in a given time divided by time. Counter intuitively, it can be anything from 'speed' in tangential direction to zero (instantaneously). But that's vectors for you.
 

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