Back of the envelope calculations help.

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The discussion focuses on developing skills for quick back of the envelope calculations, exploring techniques and personal experiences related to improving accuracy and speed in these calculations. Participants share their methods and challenges in maintaining precision while performing mental math or quick estimations.

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  • One participant suggests rigorously writing down each step to avoid mistakes, drawing from their experiences in junior high math.
  • Another participant reflects on the advantages of using slide rules, emphasizing the importance of reducing problems to manageable forms and keeping track of decimal points.
  • Concerns are raised about the fast-paced nature of modern life and its impact on calculation accuracy, with a suggestion that computers contribute to this rush.
  • A recommendation is made to use scientific notation for numbers to simplify multiplication and division, which may help in managing decimal points and zeros.
  • Participants discuss the importance of performing calculations on paper and maintaining neatness and alignment to avoid errors.
  • One participant advocates for double-checking calculations to prevent mistakes and cites a quote from Henry Thoreau about the value of not being hurried.

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Participants express a range of personal experiences and techniques, with no consensus on a single best method for improving back of the envelope calculations. Multiple competing views on approaches and challenges remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants mention various assumptions about the influence of technology on calculation habits and the potential benefits of different methods without resolving these points. The discussion reflects individual perspectives on the effectiveness of techniques rather than a unified approach.

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Individuals interested in improving their mental math skills, educators looking for techniques to teach estimation, and anyone seeking to enhance their calculation accuracy in practical applications.

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Hi,

How do I develop and train to do quick back of the envelope calculations? How have you developed these techniques? I am not quick in it and make silly mistakes.
 
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force yourself to rigorously write down each step, as you did in junior high school math.

perhaps i have advantage - grew up in days of slide rule where first thiing you had to reduce a problem to something manageable. And you had to keep track of decimal point yourself.
An early complaint when calculators came around was ''The kids don't think anymore. If they divide twelve by sixty and get twenty for an answer, they don't question it."

So it's a question of developing good habits.
Always do reasonability checks.

Haste makes waste.
 
jim hardy said:
perhaps i have advantage - grew up in days of slide rule where first thiing you had to reduce a problem to something manageable. And you had to keep track of decimal point yourself.

That's the exact problem I have i.e. keeping track of decimal points and also the 0's.
 
""That's the exact problem I have i.e. keeping track of decimal points and also the 0's.""

we are rushed today in everything we do. i think it's the computers...

form the habit of writing all your numbers in scientific notation,
so when you multiply or divide you're dealing with numbers arout 0.1 to 10 .

then collect the exponents.

always do them on paper (that's what the envelope is for)
and NEATLY paying attention to alignment.. (Do they teach mechanical drafting in jr high anymore?)

And do them twice for cross-check. That avoids a lot of embarassment.

Henry Thoreau said: "The most valuable thing a man can possess
is a determination not to be hurried."

old jim
 

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