Balancing Centrifugal and Gravitational Forces: A Homework Problem

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The discussion revolves around balancing centrifugal and gravitational forces in a physics problem, specifically focusing on the equations governing these forces and their relationship in a given setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to equate the differential forms of gravitational and centrifugal forces, seeking validation of their approach. Some participants question the assumption of equality, introducing the concept of tension in the system. Others suggest a method to express the forces in terms of linear density and calculus.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the substitution of variables and the use of calculus to derive expressions for the forces involved. However, there is no explicit consensus on the necessity of considering tension.

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Participants are navigating the implications of the problem's setup, particularly regarding whether tension should be included in their analysis, as well as the definitions and relationships of the variables involved.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


[tex]F_{gravitational}= \frac{MmG}{r^2}[/tex]

[tex]F_{centrifugal}= \frac{mv^2}{r}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I got this:

[tex] dF_{centr} = dF_{grav} \longrightarrow \frac{dm \cdot v^2}{R+x} = \frac{MdmG}{(R+x)^2} [/tex]

Is this correct?
 
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The dF's look okay to me. I don't think they would be equal, though. There would be tension in the wire, except perhaps at one value of x.
 
Tension? How can I calculate this tension and how does this equation then changes?
 
I wouldn't worry about tension or balancing the forces if the question does not ask for it. I think your equations look correct. Here's how I think you should approach the problem.

From the definition of linear density:
rho = dm/dx.

Therefore you could substitute dm in both equations for rho*dx, so that you could actually solve for Fg and Fc as function of x. Then it's just simple calculus to get to a solution.

dFg = M*rho*G*dx/(R + x)^2
Fg = -M*rho*G/(R + x)

dFc = rho*v^2*dx/(R+x)
Fc = rho*v^2*log(R + x)

Hope this helps.
 
Thanks a lot that helped!
 

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