Calculating the Angle of a Stable Ball on a Charged Plane

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angle theta (θ) of a stable ball on a charged plane, involving a fixed charge q1 = 1.10E-7 C and a ball with mass m = 1.75 g and charge q2 = 3.30E-8 C. The ball reaches a stable position 11.0 cm from the fixed charge. The initial calculations for the electric force (Fe) and gravitational force (Fg) are provided, but the user encounters issues with vector decomposition, particularly neglecting the normal force in their equations. The resolution suggests simplifying the problem by resolving forces parallel to the plane instead of vertically.

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Homework Statement


A single charge q1 = 1.10E-7 C is fixed at the base of a plane that makes an angle theta with the horizontal direction. A small ball of mass m = 1.75 g and a charge q2 = 3.30E-8 C is placed into a smooth frictionless groove in the plane that extends directly to the fixed charge (image attached.) It is allowed to move up and down until it finds a stable position d = 11.0 cm from the fixed charge. What is the value of theta (t)?

Homework Equations


Fe = kq1q2/d^2
Fg = mg

The Attempt at a Solution


Fe = (8.99E9)(1.1E-7)(3.3E-8)/(0.11^2) = 0.002697 N [up to the right]
Fg = (.00175)(9.8) = 0.01715 N [down]

(Fe)(sin(t)) = mg
(0.002697)(sin(t)) = 0.01715
sin(t) = 6.358917316
Since sin(t) has to be between -1 and 1 it is impossible to find t.

Any help detecting my problem would be greatly appreciated.

 

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I think you forgot about the normal force.

Try to set up the vector decomposition differently.
 
Kaylee said:
(Fe)(sin(t)) = mg
That's wrong. Which direction are you resolving into get that?
 
showzen said:
I think you forgot about the normal force.

Try to set up the vector decomposition differently.
So my new equation would be
mg = Fe(sin(t)) + N.
I'm confused as to where to go from here.
What did you mean by "set up the vector decomposition differently."
 
haruspex said:
That's wrong. Which direction are you resolving into get that?
I'm resolving along the y-axis (vertical). If you look at the photo, I think it is right.
 
You found the vertical component of Fe.

If you take the plane to be the x-axis, you can find the horizontal component of mg.
 
Kaylee said:
I'm resolving along the y-axis (vertical). If you look at the photo, I think it is right.
No, as you replied to showzen, it wasn't right because you had left out the normal force.
The simpler path, though, is to resolve parallel to the plane so that you don't need to involve the normal force.
 
haruspex said:
No, as you replied to showzen, it wasn't right because you had left out the normal force.
The simpler path, though, is to resolve parallel to the plane so that you don't need to involve the normal force.
Sorry, when you said "That's wrong," I thought you meant that I got the direction, as in I used the wrong trig function.
 
Thanks for your help. Changing my coordinate system makes the whole problem much easier.
 
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Kaylee said:
Sorry, when you said "That's wrong," I thought you meant that I got the direction, as in I used the wrong trig function.
I couldn't tell which - either you'd resolved vertically and omitted the normal force, or you'd resolved down the plane and put the sine factor on the wrong side. I've seen the second done more often than the first.
 
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haruspex said:
I couldn't tell which - either you'd resolved vertically and omitted the normal force, or you'd resolved down the plane and put the sine factor on the wrong side. I've seen the second done more often than the first.
Thanks again for all your help! This forum is very helpful to fully understand where I am going wrong.
 

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